Who survived Titanic Empress of Ireland and Lusitania


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Brian Arlon Jones

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Hello everyone! A friend of mine and I, both THS members, are sending Titanic trivia questions back and forth to each other via email. Each of us seems to revel in finding questions that the other can't answer. Well, she succeeded. Her trivia question was the identity of someone who survived the Titanic, Empress of Ireland and Lusitania disasters. If anyone out there knows, please respond ASAP to [email protected].
I have such a paucity of information here on either the Empress of Ireland or the Lusitania disasters, though I am quite familiar with more mundane information concerning them.
 
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Sorry, I was able to answer my own question! A stoker by the name of Frank "Lucks" Towers survived the Titanic, Empress of Ireland and Lusitania disasters. My new question is this - why does no one have any info on him? He doesn't appear on any crew list I have ever seen, nor does he appear on any survivor list. The only reference I have ever found of him is in a footnote in Charles Pellegrino's book "Her Name: Titanic." Any information on this fellow would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Sorry to disappoint you, but the Frank Towers thing is an old urban legend...started as far as I know by Mr. Ripley of Ripley's Believe it or Not fame.

If you check the crew list, you won't find anyone named Frank Towers listed either as a fireman or in any other capacity.

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
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Brian Arlon Jones

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Thanks, Michael! I thought I smelled a rat. I am quite familiar with crew lists and survivor lists and already knew he wasn't on any of them. He is mentioned in "Total Titanic" as well as the Pellegrino book - the only current references I know of. I even emailed my friend and asked her if somebody got the name wrong or if somebody goofed. When she asked the question, I thought that it was too bizarre to be true.
 
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The Pellegrano book??? ROTFL!!! No wonder! With all due respect to the man, he isn't exactly renowned for checking all of his facts. Total Titanic isn't exactly tops on reliability either. If you want reccommendations on some better sources, ask us. We can point you in the right direction.

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
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Brian Arlon Jones

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Thanks for the offer, Michael! I actually have quite an extensive collection of Titanic sources, and I've already noted that the Pellegrino book isn't a major source of information regarding the sinking. "Total Titanic" is not a book I own; that must be where my friend got her trivia question from, as she told me Frank Towers was mentioned therein. I would be more interested in books and sources you don't recommend and why.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Brian Arlon Jones
 
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Whew...with over 400 plus listed on Amazon.com, I'd be forever trying to research that one. The ones I would avoid like the plague are those tomes by that Gardiner chap where he asserts that silly ship switch theory of his. I've heard some pretty negetive comments about Beil's "Down With The Old Canoe" as well. However, you'll have to sort and evaluate for yourself for the most part.

One thing, If you don't have copies of the investigation transcripts from both inquiries, get them as they are essential primary sources. If you can afford to buy them, you'll find the complete transcripts and reports on a site called The Titanic Inquiry Project. It's well worth bookmarking, and can be linked through ET's index page.

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
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Hello everybody, there was a fireman by the name of Francis Toner who survived the Lusitania disaster (not the other two). Fireman William Clarke survived the Titanic as well as the Empress of Ireland, at least if one compares his signatures when signing on and off the ships' articles. Nobody survived all three disasters as far as I am aware.

Best regards,

Peter
 
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Daniel Odysseus

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There was a myth (just a myth, it's not true in the least bit) that Molly Brown was transporting a mummy from Egypt onboard the Titanic to donate to a museum in Denver. The mummy was "cursed" and the Titanic sank. It survived the sinking in a lifeboat (sure, like this could happen) and then it was shipped back to Egypt on the Empress of Ireland when that sank. Then it still survived, and they tried to send it back a third time on the Lusitania when it sank.

Once again, this doesn't even remotely sound true, because it's obviously not.
 
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I can only presume that the mummy was travelling first class...

Sorry folks...

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Oh no...not the mummy! We all know what happens when The Mummy shows.....AAAAACCCCC KKKKK!!!!!

We now return you to your regularly scheduled forum already in progress. (Is there a doctor....CRASH...uh, mortician in the house?)

Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 

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No, no! It wasn't a mummy! It was a three-inch turquois-colored Egyptian talisman that she carried in her pocket for good luck. She later presented it to Captain Rostron, who was quite pleased with it and also carried it in his pocket.

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Captain Smith makes a last minute dash back into the bridge, already several feet deep in ocean, and growing deeper by the second. He pushes through the water into the wheelhouse and grabs the ship's log. Holding it tight under his arm he turns toward the chart room and sloshes away. Bursting into the chart room, the brave captain quickly begins to swipe the navigational charts and notes. Clutching the documents close to his chest, he starts to make a hasty exit in hopes of putting the papers in one of the lifeboats before the end.
BUT, then a tall shadow falls across the room from the doorway. Smith turns around slowly, the water raging in from all sides around his knees. There standing 7 feet tall in the doorway, Smith sees <font color="ff6000">the MUMMY!
The creature is sinister, standing there regarding Smith. It makes no sound, only holds out its water soaked hand, black from 5000 years of rot, and drops four steel rivets into the surge of green bubbles, one by one. Smith is dumbstruck! "No, NO! This cannot be! YOU CANNOT BE REAL!!" With a bolt of forward strength, the stalwart captain attempts to rush past the creature. The old sailor plants his shoulder in the creature's torso, throwing the mummy back out into the passageway, off balance for a moment, as Smith breaks free. But when Smith turns toward the wheelhouse he freezes at what he sees. The top of the beautiful, shiny, new telemotor in the wheelhouse dissappears under a boiling tempest of green.
His escape cut off by the invading Atlantic, Smith whirls about in time to see the creature back on its feet, and striding toward him. Again Smith rallys his strength and struggles forward attempting to shove the creature back. But the water is too deep for Smith to move quickly now, and the creature easily wraps its grotesqe arms around him, squeezing him tight. Caught, helpless in the creatures clutches, Smith feels his feet begin to lift from the floor as the water overtakes them both. Releasing the papers from his hands, Smith begins to punch, rip, an tear vigorously at the mummy's wrappings of cloth. But in vain. As the unstoppable ocean covers his head, Captain Smith lets out a final yell, "Get back to HELL!" A yell that would never be heard by ears above the water. Only bubbles, inflated with rage, reached the surface.


(Dark and sinister laugh...) WWWWWAAAAHHHHAAAHHHA AA!

The next morning, on an abandoned overturned lifeboat drifting at sea all alone, a single hand reaches up from the water and latches a hold of the keel. A shrivled, black, leather hand, riding the waves back to Egypt.

Yuri B. Karloff

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Hi Yuri, I think perhaps a nice lie down in a darkened room, with a cool cloth at your brow, a nice dish of tea and a plain biscuit might be in order!!!!!! I've summoned the doctor!!!

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Thanks Geoff. I'm ...I'm feeling better now. Wait. What's that sound? Footsteps? In the hallway?
A low moaning sound! The door creaks open...

OH NO, ITS, ...ITS, ...ITS...!!

AAGGKK!
 
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Damn the bad luck Yuri. Sounds like you're getting all "choked" up with your bandaged chum.

Wanna borrow one of my cats? Rumour has it that Tut-Tut doesn't much like cats.
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Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
 
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I can't say I like cats either, even though I have two myself. Thanks anyway.

(Phil H. is probably going to be emailing me soon about staying on topic, and the real costs of bandwith.)

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There Werent any mummies on titanic, you guys had better listen to Kyrila on that and believe her, cause she's 100% correct. as for frank towers, he is also mentioned in Leo Snyders book, and Ballards book, while he is a myth, i still like reading about it as i find it kind of fascinating, though a warning to all, dont get too fascinated w/ controversial books or frank towers. one of the first books i read was Colin Simpsons Controversial lusitania book and it had me brainwashed for a while until i read Baily's and Ryan's book, and than checked out alot of lusitania books from the Center City library in philadelphia and in time i came to realise that alot of what was im simpsons book didnt make any sense, though it is still a good book to read, just save it til after you read Baily's book, Hoehlings book, Preston's book, Sauder's, O'sullivan's, and Hickey and Smith's book.
 

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Lol! Jesse, when you've been around this site for a while you'll realise that there are certain running jokes - one of which is the Mummy. The poeple that posted in this thread are quite aware of the truth behind the Mummy yarn, and Frank Towers - this is just light hearted banter.
 
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