Why are they making a Titanic II?


TimTurner

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Culture isn't cellular. Culture isn't, for example, a bubble, where all Chinese people regardless of age, gender, time era, or region of China are all trapped inside. And "our" culture isn't cellular, where all of us are trapped inside. "Our culture" (and of course your culture and my culture are likely very different) is vastly different from, say 1850's Colorado culture, or 1770 British culture, or 1912 Edwardian culture.

Realistically, James Cameron culturally appropriated Titanic when he made a movie of a culture that wasn't his. We are culturally appropriating it now, on this forum.

But culture isn't cellular. It isn't a bubble with a hard shell, it's a flowing dynamic thing. The Atlantic and Pacific may be two very different bodies of water, yet they are the same body of water.

My overall point being, that the Chinese have as much cultural claim to Titanic as you or I do. It's part of our common heritage as human beings: the world-wide ocean of humanity.
 
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@TimTurner - You make a good point, but whether or not you take into account the cultural appropriation - it still has to be executed as respectfully as possible, and I`m afraid that the Chinese project is fundamentally flawed - as it appears that no efforts are being made to be respectful on any level. Is there a difference between a water slide/jumping castle and what the Chinese are building? Heck, would it be just the same if the Americans opened up a theme park that recreates the nuking of Hiroshima (I am aware that Hiroshima is in Japan, not in China)? I hope that the end result, if ever finished, will prove me wrong.

(Of course I`m not blaming all Chinese people, but in the context of the conversation you know what I mean.)
 
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To the surprise of many the big Titanic museum here in Belfast has no artefacts from the Titanic wreck 'for ethical reasons'. Yet around the world the Titanic artefacts can be seen on display. The Queen Mary is a floating museum/hotel in California and the QE2 is somewhere in Dubai. I think the idea of a Titanic project in China is deemed quite normal these days, but it depends on how much respect they show to the story and the victims.


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@Aaron_2016 - In regards to the Belfast museum not having artifacts (which is perplexing to me), if that`s what works for them in Belfast, then to each his own. IMO that`s going overboard, but I have nothing to do with the Belfast museum and I don`t plan on going there. I personally have no problems with museums having artifacts, because that`s what I grew up believing to be normal.

Anyway, on second thought, regarding cultural appropriation - I do think that the Chinese have an obligation to go an extra step in being careful about not making their Titanic attraction offensive, since their culture is farther removed from the Titanic`s than is the Judeo-Christian, Anglo-Saxon culture. Our culture may be vastly different than that of Titanic`s, but at least it follows the same evolutionary timeline, and theirs does not.

I want to be mindful of the fact that there are ethics and dos and don`ts in a society, and that it`s not just a free-for-all, "whatever floats your boat, man" (no pun intended) sort of thing. If there are no rules, then there is no society; and no decency means no humanity IMHO.
 

TimTurner

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Part of it is that I just don't get the "Titanic is a gravesite mentality". Perhaps I'm showing my age, but Titanic is part of history, not current events. In my opinion, respecting the dead is about respecting the living who knew them, not superstitiously warding off bad feelings from the spirit world. Since all the people and most of their relatives are dead, I don't see a problem.

I'm not speaking from naivety. I've seen tragedy myself, but I recognize that most people haven't experienced what I've seen. I'm not offended by their light treatment of the subject because I recognize that the subject is personal...to me.

Personally, I'm offended by people who think everyone needs to share their values (You don't need to agree with me there). The Titanic community has plenty of people who seem to believe that the person who is most offended by the sinking has some kind of power over those who aren't. It gives me the feeling rather like a mother waving her dead child in her arms and using it as an excuse to be first in line to the theater, which is rather stomach-churning. And that's why I'm so outspoken about it.

I agree that society has rules, but I don't believe those rules should be arbitrary, or that they should be set by emotion or offense.to a select ruling class of people. Rules should not exist simply because there have to be rules. They should exist to protect and enrich us. Who am I, and who are you that our sense of offense (which is, effectively, entirely random emotion) is binding on other people. Why should your sensibilities be considered more viable than those of the Chinese people going to this theme park? I believe it is wrong to assume that our opinions are meaningful, but the opinions of others are not.

It's easy for people to fall into this trap, because we experience our own emotions objectively, while the emotions of others are abstract.
 

Severin Vogt

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The old Titanic will just rot and collapse. Nothing you can do about it. It's impossible to raise it. So why not just build a new one?
There is lots of articles that say they are going to build a Titanic II, or Titanic 2. They got all the stuff planned out mostly. But will they ever actually create it?
Most articles say it will be sailing by 2018. But it's now 2017 and still nothing! "As of (something) 2017, construction has not yet begun on the vessel" as said Wikipedia.
Will they ever create it?
 
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I understand the Titanic 2 project was abandoned or at least put on the shelf owing to difficulties with investors. I doubt it will actually happen. However there is another project which is well under way in China. They are currently building a replica of the Titanic that will be a floating museum and theme park in China, but relatives are not very pleased about it.





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Dave Gittins

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Clive Palmer's Titanic 2 project was what we Aussies call fair dinkum until 2013. Basic hull design was done by a reputable firm called Deltamarin and a model was tank tested in Germany. There was also a good deal of hype. Announcements were made about various firms getting involved but no contracts were signed. For instance, it was said the ship would be classed by Lloyds, but that's easy to announce when you have no ship.

Palmer has since been in all sorts of strife. He recently dissolved his political party. He's involved in legal disputes involving millions of dollars. Titanic 2 must be far from his mind.
 
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Definitely the hotel on the moon. The public appeal and desire to have another Titanic built must be small. I believe there is little demand for it, just mild curiosity from historians and fans of the film. The French and German liners of the 1900's were incredibly beautiful and deserve much more recognition. I think today's efforts of restoring the past should be directed towards those ships as I believe the public would genuinely be 'wowed' and 'dazzled' by their splendour.


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Rob Lawes

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I agree with you Aaron.

Sat in a Philadelphia dockyard quietly rusting away is the mighty SS United States.

She could be brought back into service for less than the cost of building a replica Titanic.

Rotting away in Dubai, the QE2 could be refurbished and returned to service.

While both projects would be costly they would be far more viable.
 

Harland Duzen

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Why don't we build the Olympic (Post 1912 version)? It definitely been proven it was more unsinkable than the Titanic! And at the very least we have more photos of Olympic.
 
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Wish the Queen Mary could be restored and return to her original transatlantic service. If the Titanic was rebuilt today I believe the modern public would find her cramped, uncomfortable, and unhygienic. I think the modern experience would be like sleeping in a corridor train. Imagine trying to get a goodnight's rest in a cabin that is right above the engine room. She was a luxurious ship but even in 1912 there were complaints. e.g. Survivor Mrs Shelley was not happy with her 2nd class cabin. In her affidavit she described it as:

'A small cabin many decks down in the ship, which was so small that it could only be called a cell. It was impossible to open a regulation steamer trunk in said cabin. It was impossible for a third person to enter said cabin unless both occupants first of all crawled into their bunks.' Imagine a moderately wealthy stout family who love their gadgets and expect the very best experience and service on the new Titanic by paying large amounts of money to travel in 2nd or 3rd class. I think history might repeat itself and her first voyage might be her last.

Mrs Shelley was given another cabin and yet she was still not happy with it:

'That this cabin, though large and roomy, was not furnished in the comfortable manner as the same accommodation procured on the Cunard and other lines; that it looked in a half-finished condition; that this room was just as cold as the cell from which we had just been removed, and on asking the steward to have the heat turned on, he answered that it was impossible, as the heating system for the second-class cabins refused to work.......That in the ladies toilet room only part of the fixtures had been installed, some of the said fixtures being still in crates.'


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Wish the Queen Mary could be restored and return to her original transatlantic service. If the Titanic was rebuilt today I believe the modern public would find her cramped, uncomfortable, and unhygienic. I think the modern experience would be like sleeping in a corridor train. Imagine trying to get a goodnight's rest in a cabin that is right above the engine room.

Most people today hopefully want to be in 1st Class but I see what you mean.
 
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If they do plan to build a new Titanic I think they should concentrate on 1st class and just make the rest of the ship modern. Perhaps with a few 2nd and 3rd class cabins built as display pieces to show how they used to live and sleep in 1912, rather than going to the trouble of rebuilding the entire 2nd and 3rd class accommodation, knowing that modern day passengers would not be pleased with several nights in rather uncomfortable conditions. There would naturally have to be extensive changes made owing to health and safety regulations and disability access for all floors, and if the passengers really wanted to experience 1912 conditions they would need to refrain from using any electronic devices. Not sure how popular this would be with younger generations. Although for security reasons there would have to be security cameras in the corridors etc. Maybe even a bridge camera so that people at home can follow the ship live on webcam.


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