Why did mrs allison panic


Dennis Smith

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Leonard,
I would have expected most passengers to have felt a tad panicky when they found out the ship was sinking under them. I would just put it down to human nature.

Best Wishes and Rgds

Dennis
 
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Trent Pheifer

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Hey Leonard,

I had always thought she panicked when she could not find Trevor....not because the ship was sinking. She wasn't leaving that ship till she knew her baby was safe. And who could blame her. I always wonder what Rosa Abbott went through, her surviving and her children not. There is many times that survivor guilt.

-Trent
 

Beth Barber

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I, too, had always thought Mrs. Allison panicked when she couldn't find her baby boy. I would hate to have to go through anything like that. - Beth
 
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Magda Natalia Piotrowska

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Yes I agree with you that Mrs Allison panicked because she couldn't find Trevor. But why didn't she put Loraine into lifeboat??? Didn't she want rescue even one of her children?
 

Pat Cook

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I'm a bit curious - and I may be missing something here - but where do we get ANY story about Mrs. Allison? Since neither she nor her husband got off the ship and Trevor, being both too young to know plus leaving prior to his folks, couldn't have known. Was this in Gracie's book?

Just curious.

Best regards, All
Cook
 

mary mason

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i think it was major pecheun(sp?) who said that bess could have got away with loraine but wouldnt leave because she didn't know where trevor was.
i'm sure somone will correct me if i'm wrong.
 
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Hi Pat. Well, I don't know where he read of it, but Don Lynch speaks about it quite clearly on the "A&E video" special. I see that the Gracie book is credited in the back of his first book, so maybe.(shrug.)Who knows how Ken Marschall got his vision for the painting he drew of it either?

I, for one, would not have wanted to be in Mrs. Allison's shoes that night. What a terrible situation --all around-- to have been in.
 
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Mary S. Lynn

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Apparently, Mr. Allison went updeck to check on the situation, and Mrs. Allison was reluctant - for whatever reason - to get herself, Lorraine, and Trevor ready to leave. It seems that she wouldn't budge until her husband returned with "news". She was about 25 years old. Their nanny, Alice Cleaver (not the one portrayed in the Gallagher/Zeta-Jones movie, but the other one) realized the seriousness of the situation, and grabbed Trevor and left, finding safety on a lifeboat, and giving a false name to authorities on the Carpathia and in New York. I don't think it's surprising that the H.J. Allisons (with Lorraine) refused to leave the ship until they had located Trevor. There's speculation about whether or not Mrs. Allison witnessed Alice Cleaver leaving with Trevor. Relatives of the Allisons identified Trevor, though, and he lived with them until he died from food poisoning at the age of 18. Who doesn't wonder why Alice didn't grab Lorraine as well, and lied to authorities? Theories such as Mrs. Allison's tendency towards hysteria, Alice's possible ransom demands, and just plain immaturity and nuttiness abound. Only the Titanic Shadow knows. The Allison's were very wealthy residents of Montreal, and Trevor would have been the heir to the family fortune. Sorry for the very sappy and resource-free interpretation of events, but I am reciting this from memory. The Internet God/s-that-be have allowed me three consecutive days of getting on-line without going through a forum before sticking it to me once again.
 

Pat Cook

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Well, this gets even curiouser and curiouser, to paraphrase Mr. Dodgson (Lewis Carroll)

I got to wondering about the Allison story and so, thanks to Mary Mason read through Major Peuchen's US testimony (he didn't testify in England). While the Major mentions knowing the family he states nothing more about them. Plus he left the ship before all the lifeboats had been boarded so he couldn't have known about their last moments anyway.

I just scanned Gracie and he states (in speaking of the women in First Class who perished - page 135, Dover edition):

"The first two have already been accounted for (Mrs. Evans & Mrs. Straus), Mrs. Allison and Miss Allison could have been saved had they not chosen to remain on the ship. They refused to enter the lifeboat unless Mr. Allison was allowed to go with them. This statement was made in my presence by Mrs. H. A. Cassebeer, of New York, who related it to Mrs. Allison's brother, Mr. G. F. Johnston and myself."

Well, the story MUST have come from SOMEwhere. And it would have to be from someone who practically went down with the ship and survived (as Gracie did).

Still looking.

Best regards, all,
Cook
 

Beth Barber

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Hmm - now that makes me wonder if the Allisons did know their son was safely on a boat. I can see if mrs. Allison chose for herself to stay on the ship because her husband wasn't allowed on a lifeboat but how could you sentence your 4 year old daughter to die? Why not let someone else take her - especially if yu would choose to die with your husband than to live with your children. That doesn't make sense to me. - Beth
 
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I knew Cassebeer had something to do with this unsolved mystery!
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I too will keep out a watch for a possible answer.
 
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Indeed, maybe the Allisons let Alice Cleaver take Trevor with her - to better ensure her entrance onto a lifeboat. If Mrs. Allison refused to board a lifeboat because her husband was not allowed to - she probably believed in her heart that Titanic would never sink...that could be why she did not place her daughter on a lifeboat.
 

George Behe

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Hi, all!

Don Lynch spoke to members of the Allison family who were familiar with the stories Sarah D., Miss Cleaver etc. related to the family after the disaster.

All my best,

George
 
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Mary S. Lynn

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Did the Allison family have any opinions one way or the other?

I've also heard that Mr. Allison dismissed the maid who tried to pass on the steward's warning to dress and go up to the boat deck a couple of times, and went back to sleep. When he finally left their cabin to check on the situation, it was after 1:00 a.m., and he didn't get back to the cabin until around 1:30 - 1:45. This could account for the fact that by the time he returned and the family dressed and prepared to leave, the lifeboats were gone. I'd be interested to know whether Alice Cleaver took Trevor before or after Mr. Allison left the cabin, as she could have heard the steward's warning early on - either directly or from the maid. ?????
 

John Clifford

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According to Don Lynch, the maid, Sarah Daniels, had twice tried to warn the family that something had happened. However, Hudson Allison became angrier at her, and refused to wake the family.

At that point, Sarah decided to investigate further and was talked in to getting on board Lifeboat #8. She was not able to convince Alice Cleaver to join her, and Alice remained in the cabin.

Later on, though, the Allisons realized that, indeed, something was wrong. At that point, Hudson Allison decided to investigate. While he was gone, the order was given for everyone to proceed to the boat deck, to which both women became frantic.

Alice Cleaver may have figured that Bess Allison would be right behind her, and could have thought that they had become separated. She might have tried to assure Mr. Allison, in case he saw Bess Allison coming up behind them.

The situation at Lifeboat 8 would have been witnessed by several people, so I doubt Sarah Daniels' story could have been too fabricated (no information on when she got on, versus when the Strausses deciced to remain behind).

The next morning both Sarah Daniels and Alice Cleaver would have realized that Hudson, Bess, and Lorraine were missing and presumed dead. I don't know how they chose to tell their side of what happened to the Allison brothers, George and Percy.
 
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Mary S. Lynn

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Sarah Daniels was the maid, and would have had no responsibility for the children, as she looked after Mrs. Allison. Alice Cleaver was the nanny, who was hired at the last minute to replace the trained nurse (name, anyone?) who had apparently bailed out, and was hired to watch after Loraine and Trevor. Sarah, Alice, and Trevor shared an adjoining first-class cabin next to one occupied by Hudson, Bess, and Loraine. Sarah (Sallie) Daniels left on her own accord, (there's a story that the steward assured her he would persuade Mr. and Mrs. Allison to leave) and I perhaps since Alice Cleaver had only Trevor in her cabin (Loraine was with her parents), she left with him - maybe assuming that Loraine's parents would do the same. ???
Theory and speculation - makes for great discussion, eh?
 
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Mary S. Lynn

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There are apparently two "Alice Cleaver" stories. One is Alice Mary Cleaver, and the other is Mary Alice Cleaver - two different people, and I don't know which is which. According to Lynch and Marschall ("Titanic: An Illustrated History"), and the Gallagher/Zeta-Jones movie, the Alice Cleaver who had previously killed her own infant son by throwing him off a train (lover-left-her syndrome) was the nanny. There's a thread somewhere on this massive Board that disputes this, saying that the other Alice Cleaver - the "normal" one - was the nanny. I also read it, but can't remember the source. I recall that the family of the real Alice Cleaver was most distressed at the misportrayal. The Allison family was equally distressed by "whoever" Alice Cleaver's giving a false name upon arrival in New York with Trevor.
 

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