Widows and orphans

Allan Clarke

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I was wondering if anyone had come across information on compensation for widows and orphans of the Titanic's crew.
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Dave Gittins

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The crew were covered by the Workmen's Compensation Act and their dependents were paid quite promptly. Payments varied a bit depending on the man's classification, but were about £300.

A few slipped through the cracks, notably the band, whose members were not directly employed by White Star. These cases were looked after by the charitable funds raised in Britain and the US.
 

Allan Clarke

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Dave: Thank you for the information. Does a list of these dependents exist that can be located on the internet? I was particularly interested in the black gang's widows.
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Dave Gittins

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Allan, I would think that anything about the dependents would be in Southampton. There's quite a lot of general information in Titanic Voices.
 
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KatieU

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Hello Dave,

I notice that you have a wealth of knowledge regarding all things Titanic. I wonder if you might be able to help me with a few lines of enquiry, please.

I would like to find out more about the Titanic Relief Fund and Workmens Compensation which was paid to dependents of the deceased.
Do you have any more details regarding the amounts of money paid to people, who it was paid to, for how long money was granted to them and how people went about claiming the money? Is there any way of finding out that all those deserving payments recieved them fairly and on time?
And (finally!) did the amount that families recieved from the Workmens Compensation affect the grants given to them from the Relief Fund?
If you do not have this information, do you have ideas on where is best to look for it?

Thanks, in advance, for your time!
Katie.
 

Seumas

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(posted this in General Titanica because I wasn't sure what forum was most appropriate)

I was wondering....

At the time of the tragedy or since.

Has any total (even a "guesstimate") ever been made of the amount of widows and orphans left behind by Titanic's crew who perished ?

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Dave Gittins

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The number must have run to several thousand. 679 crew were lost, the big majority from Southampton and especially from a suburb called Northam, which was right by the docks. In some streets, there was hardly a house that was not affected in some way. School teachers noticed dozens of children missing. See Titanic Voices for accounts of the sufferers. If there is anything like a correct number of widows and orphans it would be in the records of the Mansion House fund, which gave out thousands of pounds over many years. We used to have a member called Andrew Williams, who is an expert on the fund, but I've not heard from him for quite some time. Does anybody have news of him?
 
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Seumas

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The number must have run to several thousand. 679 crew were lost, the big majority from Southampton and especially from a suburb called Northam, which was right by the docks. In some streets, there was hardly a house that was not affected in some way. School teachers noticed dozens of children missing. See Titanic Voices for accounts of the sufferers. If there is anything like a correct number of widows and orphans it would be in the records of the Mansion House fund, which gave out thousands of pounds over many years. We used to have a member called Andrew Williams, who is an expert on the fund, but I've not heard from him for quite some time. Does anybody have news of him?
Thanks Mr Gittins, it's certainly something to think about.

That's the one aspect of the disaster most people, when they went to watch Titanic at the cinema in 1997/8, never got. All those kids who had to be told that their dad, who was a steward or trimmer, was never coming home and had died in that ice cold water.

Btw is that "Titanic Voices" authored by Donald Hyslop or other book with the same name authored by Hannah Holman ?
 

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Btw is that "Titanic Voices" authored by Donald Hyslop or other book with the same name authored by Hannah Holman ?
It's the one by Donald Hyslop, Alastair Forsyth and Sheila Jemima.

Just note there are 2 editions of it, the first published in 1994 and the second published in 2006.
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Seumas

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It's the one by Donald Hyslop, Alastair Forsyth and Sheila Jemima.

Just note there are 2 editions of it, the first published in 1994 and the second published in 2006.
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Cheers :cool:

I'll keep an eye out for that title as it certainly comes up an awful lot on reference lists by the best Titanic historians.

Frustratingly in the last ten years or so there's a been a few different books released with titles like "Titanic Voices", "Voices from the Titanic" or "Voices of Titanic" etc which makes it a bit confusing.
 
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Seumas

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Just to add this.

Recently re-watching the old (but still very good) A&E documentary "The Legend Lives On" and the late Brian Ticehurst quoted for Southampton alone.
  • 549 men lost
  • 232 widows
  • 1,239 orphans