Wilhelm Gustloff


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The Above mentioned Bob Ballard Doco has just premiered here on Australia sky National Geographic. Doco 1 hour long and traces the stories of a group of survivors from Gustloff, Steuben and Goya.
Must turn in as it is 23:17 and tomorrow starts at 05:15

cheers

Martin
 

Grant Carman

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I watched a program on the Gustloff last night on Discovery Channel (Canada). Very interesting show. They used some kind of computer program to estimate that there were 10,600 people on the ship. When they took their estimates to someone in Britain, who has a special survivor program, he estimate that just over 900 would have survivied. In actual fact, 996 survived.

Another thing that really, really bothers me is that when they dove on the wreck, they discovered that the whole center section of the wreck has been destroyed.

It turns out that at some point after WW2, the Soviets dove on the wreck, salvaged valuables, from bodies and possesssions, and then blew up the wreck to cover what they had done.

If that's true, that is totally gruesome.

Has anyone else seen this special before, and what did you think?
 
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It's the Unsolved History program from the Discovery Channel. Very well done.
 
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"the director JOSEPH VILSMAIER will start next year shooting a movie about the WILHELM GUSTLOFF in germany. it is a high budget tv movie 10 million euro,in cooperation with teamworx production (dresden,stauffenberg,etc)...."

this from online forum wilhelmgustloff.com

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I recall hearing that there was a German motion picture made about the Wilhelm Gustloff and its sinking. Have you guys heard of it? If so, what can you tell me about it? Can it be purchased anywhere?
 

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I found the name of the film. It's called "NACHT FIEL ÃœBER GOTENHAFEN." What do you guys know about it? It looks like they're selling the movie at various websites.
 
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Malta-blogger.com.....

"Joseph Vilsmaier turns for the Second Channel of German Television starting from 12. March 2007 a historical two-divisor over the last travel the William Gustloff. The dramatic fall scenes are to develop on Malta in the only large water film Studio of Europe."

Hafen der Hoffnung — Die letzte Fahrt der Wilhelm Gustloff

[Port of Hope - the last travel the William Gustloff]


"The radiant emittance is planned on 30 January 2008 - that 53. Anniversary of the fall of the Gustloff."

as translated by the babelfish programme

cheers

Martin
 
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I just noticed that a new movie about the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff is coming out March 10th 2008. 'Die Gustloff'

It's a German movie (off course) It's a 3 hour movie (where have i heard that before) Filming has taken 6 years and the cost was a little over 10 million Euros.
This movie seems very interesting- just too bad about the German language (my German leaves a lot to be desired!)
 
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Hello Gaetane,

I have been following this project since it was announced almost 3 years back. Thanks for the screening date.
Hopefully they put it out on DVD w/ multi lingual subtiles English for me and Italian or spanish for you as my German is not very good either.

If you get to see it, please consider posting a review. In the meantime I hope these threads help you.

grazi

Martin

https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/discus/messages/6937/44566.html?1193917353

http://www.wilhelmgustloff.com/

https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/discus/messages/5672/121022.html?1189233229
 
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Thanks for the links, Martin!

I ordered both movies on Amazon, so i will review it as soon as i've seen them. 'The Gustloff will only be in March...I don't have much hope for multi lingual subtitles in a German release...and if they do have subtitles i hope for English as for my Spanish/Italian leaves a lot to be desired too (I'm dutch, with an Italian father) Italian, Spanish it's all chinese to me...
 
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"both movies on Amazon"? I thought hello.
I went and saw what llooks like aDVD for the new film but after some Babelfish work I came to the conclusion it is a book.

Another book I saw was


Die letzte Fahrt der Wilhelm Gustloff. Dokumentation eines Ãœberlebenden. (Gebundene Ausgabe)
von Heinz Schön (Autor)



"In the night to 30 January 1945 a Soviet submarine sank the WILHELM GUSTLOFF overloded with refugees and numerous wounded one by three torpedo hits GUSTLOFF. Thousands of humans sank with the former KdF ship in the icy Baltic Sea. The true dimension of this terrible tragedy remained however over long years uncertain. If one in former times still proceeded from 5000 to 6000 victims, Can Heinz Schoen prove beautiful today that at that time over 9000 humans found death? Into "the last travel the William Gustloff" it documents all details of this largest ship disaster of mankind history - and gathers thereby as many facts together as all publications over the TITANIC.

Exclusively Heinz Schoen reports to a very richly illustrated afterwards in chapter on the developing history of the of the same name of the Second Channel of German Television television multi-divisor, whose turning work from the outset advisory he, that belongs to the few survivors of the GUSTLOFF disaster, accompanied." -translated from Amazon by Babelfish

If this story is to have an impact beyond Gernmany it needs to cross the language barrier. This would involve it being translated to Englis and submitted to a major publishing company.


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that is the book, but select DVD in the first box of the search engine (of the amazon.germany homepage)and 'Die gustloff' in the other, then your gonna get the movie (it has no cover) and says 'vorbestelbarheid März 10, 2008'
the book can be purchased now .
 
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MOVIE REVIEW for 'Nacht fiel über Gotenhafen'.

Okay, maybe i had too high hopes for this movie!
I was expecting that the whole movie was about the sinking of the Gustloff. (Like 'A Night to Remember' was about the Titanic!)
Well, guess again! IMO this isn't a shipwreck movie. It's more of an war/love movie with the shipwreck as the climax of the movie!!
The feature length is 94 minutes and the fatal voyage begins only 77 min into the movie!!
The torpedo only hit in Approximately 82 min into the movie. That leaves about 12 minutes of sinking scenes!!!! Now those 12 min of scenes where rather good but they were not enough to save the movie.
Mind you that the movie was entirely in German and had ONLY German subtitles for the hearing impaired!

Let me sum up the good and the bad...

BAD:

German Language and NO subtitles.
The first 77 minutes are a complete waste!
Too little sinking scenes!
expensive DVD
Not very accurate special effects++++SPOILER++++(in the movie the Gustloff sinks kinda like Titanic, in reality the Gustloff listed and tipped over to one side)

GOOD:+++++POSSIBLE SPOILERS+++++

Good panic scenes (for it's day at least)
Good scene with a crowed lifeboat being lowered and crashed into the ocean (scene takes only 10 sec)

So if you are expecting a German 'A Night to remember' with an accurate sinking and passenger account then avoid this at all cost.
If you like a war/love/history/(little) shipwreck movie then try this

What was funny of this movie is that is started almost identically like the 'A Night to Remember'
the first scene was of debris in water, followed with the baptism of the Gustloff and then the ship being railed into the sea.
 
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The following is an article from the net,.
note: this is auto translated, errors are not mine.

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Special presentation of "The Gustloff" in Berlin

Berlin (dpa) The cinematic preferences by Angela Merkel in Berlin, little is known about film premieres she really is not. If the Chancellor to a public cinema decides, it is for sure: The film is its importance.
On Tuesday evening, the CDU leader among the guests a special screening of the ZDF Zweiteilers "The Gustloff" for the Bundestag. The film is about the biggest shipping disaster of German history. Like the ARD production "The Escape" he tells the fate of German refugees in the Second World War.
Besides Merkel came Culture Minister Bernd Neumann (CDU) and the President of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, Charlotte Knobloch, in the cinema in Potsdamer Platz. Director Joseph Vilsmaier ( "Stalingrad", "Comedian Harmonists") had been resolved after the screening. Both Merkel and Knobloch had assured him that they liked the film. "They were totally impressed." Knobloch called the film in the same breath with his Holocaust drama "The Last Ride" - it was so touching was that he would howl, said Vilsmaier. On stage, reported the director, who him to the project has inspired: Today's Union group chief Volker Kauder gave him years ago "the Gustloff in his ear set."
Among the guests at the special screening were "Gustloff" Actors like Kai Wiesinger, Heiner Lauterbach, Dana Vavrova and Detlev Buck. The ZDF shows the two-part 2 And 3 March. It is based on facts and testimonies, but the characters are invented. Around 9300 people drowned while sinking of the passenger ship "Wilhelm Gustloff", 30 January 1945 in the icy Baltic Sea. Most were refugees who anrückenden before the Red Army wanted to bring in safety. »« The Gustloff was, as the film shows, by a Russian submarine shelled.
Vilsmaiers emotionsreiches drama cost more than ten million euros, and is elaborately staged. "We had half as Stralsund Komparserie busy," said producer Norbert sour. During a special presentation in Berlin was an abbreviated version to see it for a lot of praise from the guests were. As a witness was Heinz Schön in the process as the 18-year-old survived the disaster and ZDF in the movie advised.
For some visitors came reminders high. Erika Steinbach, president of the Federal displaced, it would almost with her mother on the Gustloff «» driven. The film was very close to her gone, said Steinbach. And she said: "Each country has its own destinies and to work off." From another corner, there was political calm consent for the film: Left-Dietmar Bartsch politicians criticized the "many clichés", but he liked the music and theatrical performance.
 
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I'm looking forward to this movie, but i'm afraid to get my hopes up after seeing 'nacht fiel über Gotenhafen'.
Let's hope at least half of the movie is about the sinking itself!
 
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From my intel this film is worth $10,000,000 Euros in production budget.

I Understand Herr Vilsmaier intends the sinking sequences to be the equal of anything that James Cameron created.
My reading tells me the time sequence is from 3 days before the 31st until the day after.
One down side: There will be no subtitles on Die Gusloff DVD.
There must be connection with the west. Its the same with the Estonia disaster.
5 books in German but nothing in English.

Thank you for your review on NFUG.
the opening sequence do seem to mirror ANTR. This is not surprising given that ANTR came out the year before.

Have you seen Sink The Bismarck? I am watching it at the moment and feel the story is ripe for a high quality remake.
Is anyone up to doing it?

Martin
 
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Sinking scenes as good as James Camerons 'Titanic'???? I certainly hope so, but can't imagine it! you're getting my hopes up!

Are there 5 books on the Estonia in German??
I knew only of one 'Die Estonia' by Jutte Rabe!
You are right there is a big need of english books on the Estonia sinking. There is one 'The Hole, another look on the sinking of the Estonia' but that book is mainly on theories about what made the Estonia sink and not on the sinking itself!
'the cruellest night' is a good account on the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff!
 

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