Scott Newman
Member
I would imagine any original photo of any ship would cost a small fortune. There can't be many original photos of any of the ships from that era. Are there those on this site who own original copies of some of these photographs?
Jim Kalafus
Member
Hi, Scott: I have posted several of my unpublished Lusitania photos on this site. They are in various Lusitania threads.
Here's another:
As with any photos I post, larger high definition scans are available F.O.C. to anyone who wishes to use them for a website or article or screen saver. My only request is that I be given photo credit.
As for the price: well, I've paid up to $200 for one image of the Lusitania and up to $400 for one glass plate negative of the Olympic. Those are high end prices. Lowest I've paid is $5 for an original Lusitania shot from someone who was selling it as just-another-old-photo, and .10 for the General Slocum original photo I posted on the G.S. thread. Highest I've attempted to pay was $840 for an original unpublished Titanic shot but was outbid (by $5) at a NYC auction a year or so back.
Here's another:
As with any photos I post, larger high definition scans are available F.O.C. to anyone who wishes to use them for a website or article or screen saver. My only request is that I be given photo credit.
As for the price: well, I've paid up to $200 for one image of the Lusitania and up to $400 for one glass plate negative of the Olympic. Those are high end prices. Lowest I've paid is $5 for an original Lusitania shot from someone who was selling it as just-another-old-photo, and .10 for the General Slocum original photo I posted on the G.S. thread. Highest I've attempted to pay was $840 for an original unpublished Titanic shot but was outbid (by $5) at a NYC auction a year or so back.
Tarn Stephanos
Member
Jim, you may very well have the most impressive liner photo collection I have ever encountered. Thank you for your generosity in sharing your many liner images with fellow ET members...
If only all ocean liner buffs were as generous..
regards
Tarn Stephanos
If only all ocean liner buffs were as generous..
regards
Tarn Stephanos
Jim Kalafus
Member
Thanks, Tarn. I appreciate the kind words. Since it is Thanksgiving, I will speak about motives here. As you may know, my principal interest is music and not liners. Back in the last century, I had the great good fortune to be introduced to a man who had been friends with, travelled with, worked with and kept up on all of the Big Bands from the mid 1930s onward. His memorabilia collection was astonishing, and his philosophy towards sharing was very laid back....quite often boxes of photocopies (and, later, originals as his health declined) would arrive at my house unbidden, and when I'd ask he'd say "well, I was near the copy store and thought you might be interested." All he ever asked for was thanks and that I keep in regular touch by phone. His outlook was that, kept hidden, the stuff was nothing but a bunch of old paper and wax discs, and that it should be kept circulating for the good of the music and for music research. It meant more to me than I can express as a newcomer in a field of research where so many of the 'experts' were obsessed hoarders (and fairly nasty, at that) and so I pass on everything I can, to as many as I can, as a memorial to the Best D*mned Researcher ever.
Tarn Stephanos
Member
Hi Jim
That is such a refereshing outlook.
I honestly can't think of anyone else who has shared so many liner images as you...
Your Britannic photos on hospitalshipbritannic.com are stunning.
I am all too familar with 'hoarders'..
Outside my Titanic obsession, I have long been an enthusiast of the 60s rock band "The Doors", and wrote for a Doors fanzine for many years.
But there are many 'hardcore' Doors collectors who will not circulate certain rare Doors recordings, as they are deemed 'sensitive'- and prefer to keep such recordings only to themselves, or within a very small circle of select friends.
Their argument being if 'any Doors fan and thier grandmother' could have access to these rare recordings, the trade value of the material would plummet.Uncirculated, how will fans appreciate the music?? Music is meant to be heard, not hoarded.
Im the chap who leaked out the long unreleased studio version of the Doors song "The Celebration Of The Lizard".
Some harcore collectors curse at my name for doing that ,including my old editor, but other Doors fans have thanked me for getting the music out..
Ideally, rare music, and photos- should be shared, so music buffs, or history buffs, can have access to such material to further thier understandiung and appreciateion of the subject matter.
But there are some people who collect such things soley for its monetary value, and such people I would not concider true music or history buffs..
Regards
Tarn Stephanos
That is such a refereshing outlook.
I honestly can't think of anyone else who has shared so many liner images as you...
Your Britannic photos on hospitalshipbritannic.com are stunning.
I am all too familar with 'hoarders'..
Outside my Titanic obsession, I have long been an enthusiast of the 60s rock band "The Doors", and wrote for a Doors fanzine for many years.
But there are many 'hardcore' Doors collectors who will not circulate certain rare Doors recordings, as they are deemed 'sensitive'- and prefer to keep such recordings only to themselves, or within a very small circle of select friends.
Their argument being if 'any Doors fan and thier grandmother' could have access to these rare recordings, the trade value of the material would plummet.Uncirculated, how will fans appreciate the music?? Music is meant to be heard, not hoarded.
Im the chap who leaked out the long unreleased studio version of the Doors song "The Celebration Of The Lizard".
Some harcore collectors curse at my name for doing that ,including my old editor, but other Doors fans have thanked me for getting the music out..
Ideally, rare music, and photos- should be shared, so music buffs, or history buffs, can have access to such material to further thier understandiung and appreciateion of the subject matter.
But there are some people who collect such things soley for its monetary value, and such people I would not concider true music or history buffs..
Regards
Tarn Stephanos
Jim Kalafus
Member
We're one chicken bone or defective steel belted radial away from the abyss, and imagine the shame of knowing on the way out that one's crowning achievement was locating and not sharing believed-lost footage of the Doors on non network television
"Pathetic" comes to mind. Glad you liked the Britannic pictures. Won them on eBay with a second to go, and I guess that "pathetic" kind of describes the glee I still feel at that....'though at least I did not subsequently stuff them under my mattress! Then, too, there are 'collectors' as well as 'hoarders.' Collectors who remain silent about their collections are...well... comprehensible- there are many reasons for doing so. It is the demented 'hoarder' who irritates me....the one who lets it be known far and wide that he has, for instance, lost Doors footage, and then refuses to share it. Rather like an insecure geek in second grade. On THAT note I am going to slink off and listen to my bootleg video of 'Beatles At Shea Stadium' which is the never released "undubbed" version. And, no, don't bother to ask, you know what the answer is
Tarn Stephanos
Member
Hi Jim
I once spoke with a hardcore Doors collector over the telephone- he played over the phone for me various clips of songs from serveral uncirculated Doors concerts that were of soundboard quality, but then told me he couldn't make copies for anyone as the shows were too 'sensitive' to circulate. If he leaked them out, other hoarders would be angry....
That is the kind of hoarder that angers me....In the rock and roll world,the Jimi Hendrix community is overrun with such hoarders.
But do music buffs who favor music before the age of rock have a problem with hoarders?
I'm also a tad irritaed with Titanic book collectors who like to collect multiple copies of the same title. I know of one Titanic collector who owns 11 copies of the 1911 Olympic/Titanic "Shipbuilders" book.
He'll brag about how many he owns, but will add he will never sell or trade his extras...
GRRRR!!
Regards
Tarn Stephanos
I once spoke with a hardcore Doors collector over the telephone- he played over the phone for me various clips of songs from serveral uncirculated Doors concerts that were of soundboard quality, but then told me he couldn't make copies for anyone as the shows were too 'sensitive' to circulate. If he leaked them out, other hoarders would be angry....
That is the kind of hoarder that angers me....In the rock and roll world,the Jimi Hendrix community is overrun with such hoarders.
But do music buffs who favor music before the age of rock have a problem with hoarders?
I'm also a tad irritaed with Titanic book collectors who like to collect multiple copies of the same title. I know of one Titanic collector who owns 11 copies of the 1911 Olympic/Titanic "Shipbuilders" book.
He'll brag about how many he owns, but will add he will never sell or trade his extras...
GRRRR!!
Regards
Tarn Stephanos
Jim Kalafus
Member
The Shipbuilder hoarder you mentioned reminds me of those 40-ish lost souls one sees, wearing Darth Vader helmets and clutching comi...graphic novels, pardon me, who camp out for a week at the multiplex to assure that they are THE first one in the door when the new Star Wars film opens. The only proper response is a slightly raised eyebrow and a neutral, rhetorical, "Why?" "Oh, that's nice" works, too.
Tarn Stephanos
Member
The Star Wars fans who dress as the characters when seeing a Star Wars film remind me of the people who dress as Capt Smith and other Titanic charcters, when visiting a Titanic exhibit.
There was once a 5 foot,300 pound man dressed as Capt Smith who visted the Dallas Titanic exhibit...-
My reaction when encountering such visitors was "In god's name, WHY???"
Sad to say, I was first in line to see the last 2 Star wars films, and will be again to see 'Revenge Of The Sith", but methinks I'll forgo dressing as a Wookie- that takes it a tad too far....
In college I worked at Tower records, and one of the floor managers, a hardcore Trekkie (whoops...I meant TREKKER), was fluent in Klingon. And he lamented he never got lucky...I wonder why...
Regards
tarn Stephanos
There was once a 5 foot,300 pound man dressed as Capt Smith who visted the Dallas Titanic exhibit...-
My reaction when encountering such visitors was "In god's name, WHY???"
Sad to say, I was first in line to see the last 2 Star wars films, and will be again to see 'Revenge Of The Sith", but methinks I'll forgo dressing as a Wookie- that takes it a tad too far....
In college I worked at Tower records, and one of the floor managers, a hardcore Trekkie (whoops...I meant TREKKER), was fluent in Klingon. And he lamented he never got lucky...I wonder why...
Regards
tarn Stephanos
Jim Kalafus
Member
"...he lamented he never got lucky."
My word, can't see why! Being fluent in Klingon is one of those things, like being able to recite Andrew Dice Clay monologues; whistling through your nose; cleaning under your fingernails with your teeth, and having to register with the local police department every time you change addresses which ASSURES one one's choice of desirable women and men. Perhaps he needed Altoids......
My word, can't see why! Being fluent in Klingon is one of those things, like being able to recite Andrew Dice Clay monologues; whistling through your nose; cleaning under your fingernails with your teeth, and having to register with the local police department every time you change addresses which ASSURES one one's choice of desirable women and men. Perhaps he needed Altoids......
Eric Longo
Member
Hello,
I also agree that photographs and other collectibles/history are meaningless unless shared. That is why I posted a decent chunk of my Mauretania collection. I can't stand the "I own and you can't see it" people either! Doors, Hendrix - same is true with Garland. Like pulling teeth with a stick of butter. That might be easier.....
Best,
Eric Longo
I also agree that photographs and other collectibles/history are meaningless unless shared. That is why I posted a decent chunk of my Mauretania collection. I can't stand the "I own and you can't see it" people either! Doors, Hendrix - same is true with Garland. Like pulling teeth with a stick of butter. That might be easier.....
Best,
Eric Longo
Jim Kalafus
Member
Hi, Eric: And they were great photos, too! Thanks for putting them up here- it was quite exceptional for you to do so!
Garland fans. An obsessive lot, as you already know. Funny thing is, most of the rare footage these people hoard is TV work from the 'declining years' and, at best, painful to watch. Ditto for most of the concert recordings. The radio spots from the '30s and '40s are a bright spot however. I am STILL emotionally scarred by seeing a 1966 or '68 performance of "What the World Needs Now is Love Sweet Love" in which the choreography seemed to have been a (perhaps improvised) one woman interpretation of Godzilla vs. Mothra. Would like to find a print of her 1928 film appearance (in a short subject)just out of curiosity, but no one will own up to having a print.
Garland fans. An obsessive lot, as you already know. Funny thing is, most of the rare footage these people hoard is TV work from the 'declining years' and, at best, painful to watch. Ditto for most of the concert recordings. The radio spots from the '30s and '40s are a bright spot however. I am STILL emotionally scarred by seeing a 1966 or '68 performance of "What the World Needs Now is Love Sweet Love" in which the choreography seemed to have been a (perhaps improvised) one woman interpretation of Godzilla vs. Mothra. Would like to find a print of her 1928 film appearance (in a short subject)just out of curiosity, but no one will own up to having a print.