Those were the only two other members he met (besides Mr. Andrews)? William Parr can be seen in the famous Gymnasium photo with Instructor McCrawley in the background.He was the only paying First Class passenger on that trip and expect met people from Harland & Wolff's "Guarantee Group" who were also in First Class - Thomas Andrews, Joseph Thompson, William Parr and Roderick Chisholm.
Maybe it was some sort of "arrangement" with White Star. He might have been allowed on board in Belfast - effectively an "official stowaway" - with the understanding that when he paid for his First Class passage in Southampton, there would be an added charge for the board and lodge of the delivery trip.
Yes, there were plenty of stewards and a handful of galley crew on the delivery trip.Speaking of facilities, were there crew to look after his meals, room etc during that trip? He spent two nights on board, I think. He could have had his meals with Andrews and others of the Guarantee Group travelling in First Class, of course.
Mr. Thomas Andrews' secretary, Mr. Hamilton, also went on her delivery trip, but he stayed behind in SouthamptonYes, there were plenty of stewards and a handful of galley crew on the delivery trip.
The stewards on the delivery trip would probably have made a start at putting away necessary stores (all that ceramic, glassware, cutlery etc) and furiously cleaning up the public areas after months of workmen passing through them. They probably wouldn't have wanted anyone in the way.It would be really nice to get some idea of Van der Hoef's feedback for that trip. He was in First Class and with the GG people otherwise busy, he would have had the public rooms pretty much to himself, I imagine. With so few people about in those huge rooms, the perspective of a lone man would have been rather different from general, post-disaster comments of surviving First Class passengers.
He must have spoke to some people about his impressions during the 6 days he (probably) remained in Southampton before the actual maiden voyage started.
It was one solitary passenger, it's not a big deal at all.If the law states your must have a Government certificate clearance before having paying passengers and wasn't given at Belfast and was performed by Maurice Clarke from the Board of Trade at Southampton. As for crew members which must have to past the BoT seaworthy certificate. You may argue about stewards, but I don't see them as paying passengers.
Sorry or may not be, I shall be on holiday for the this week. See the replies 8 days time.
Sorry to quote myself, but in the past hour I learned something that I had missed before. I had been under the impression that Joseph 'Joey' Thompson also died with rest of the GG members when the Titanic sank but I just discovered that he in fact got off in Southampton.He was the only paying First Class passenger on that trip and expect met people from Harland & Wolff's "Guarantee Group" who were also in First Class - Thomas Andrews, Joseph Thompson, William Parr and Roderick Chisholm. Of course, all of them and Van der Hoef died in the sinking
AFAIK, WvdH was the only First Class (or any class) fare paying passenger who boarded in Belfast. He was on his own in that respect but there were 4 people from Harland & Wolff's "Guarantee Group" who were also berthed in First Class cabins. They were Thomas Andrews himself, William Parr, Roderick Chisholm and Joseph Thompson. I expect WvdH joined them for meals but they would have been busy during daytime "office hours" and so he would have had the First Class public rooms to himself. The two evenings were probably better when the H&W men also relaxed a little.Did we known if Wykoff van der Hoef had a partner? If was on his own must felt a bit lonely been the only passenger in the first class restaurant, or did he mix in with the crew members, or seat at the captain table?
This is incredible. I confess that up to now I had never heard of Harold Arthur Sanderson. But obviously, he was a passenger from Belfast to Southampton in his capacity as a VP of International Mercantile Marine. Could he have been performing a similar supervisory function for IMM just like the Guarantee Group for H&W?Harold Sanderson was there, too.
That's what I thought (as mentioned above) when I looked up the credentials of Sanderson just now. Therefore, the mention on ET bio that he was the only passenger of the Titanic from Belfast to Southampton might have to be rephrased. Sanderson was a similar (if not the same) kind of "passenger" as Thomas Andrews or William Parr ie, there in his official capacity. Wykoff van der Hoef on the other hand was an independent businessman with no direct connection to Harland & Wolff, White Star or IMM as far as I am aware. That and since he was the only Belfast boarder with a Ticket Number and Fare makes WvdH the only bona fide paying passenger on that delivery trip. (Thomas Andrews had a ticket number and cabin but no fare mentioned while Harold Sanderson had neither, as far as I could see)Mr. Sanderson was on-board as the representative of White Star Line during the Titanic her sea trails, just as Thomas Andrews Jr was on-board to represent Harland and Wolff.
It looks more than right! Thank you.It's been corrected... that entry must be 20+ years old!
Does this look right?