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Keeping Track of a Maiden Voyage

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Keeping Track of a Maiden Voyage

This article illustrates the route the Titanic took on her maiden voyage.

On Thursday the 11th of April 1912, the RMS Titanic departed Queenstown on her maiden voyage across the Atlantic ocean to New York. About 2:20 PM GMT, she took departure from the Daunt’s Rock light vessel, and proceeded at 70 revolutions per minute along a path that hugged the southern coast of Ireland toward Fastnet light.1 From there she would follow the Great Circle track2 westbound to a location in the middle of the Atlantic referred to as the Corner at 42° N, 47° W, and then follow a rhumb line track3 taking her south of the Nantucket Shoals light vessel and then to the Ambrose Channel light vessel marking the entrance to NY harbor.4

The planned route of the Titanic is taken as follows:

  • Departure off Daunt’s Rock light vessel5 – 51° 43’ N, 08° 16’ W
  • Turning point off the Old Head of Kinsale6 – 51° 33’ N, 08° 32’ W
  • Departure off Fastnet light7 – 51° 23’ N, 09° 36’ W
  • Turning point at the Corner – 42° N, 47° W
  • To a point south of the Nantucket Shoals light vessel8 – 40° 35’ N, 69° 36.5’ W
  • To Ambrose Channel light vessel9 – 40° 28’ N, 73° 50’ W

As we all know, the RMS Titanic never completed her maiden voyage. On the night of April 14th, she struck an iceberg at 11:40 PM apparent time ship (ATS), and sank just 2 hour and 40 minutes later. However, one of the questions that seem to come up is where was the Titanic on each of the first three days out since leaving Queenstown? To answer this question we can make use of the daily reported mileage runs for the first three days and the planned route of travel.

What we know about the distances covered comes from a memorandum that was provided by the Titanic’s 3rd Officer Herbert Pitman to the American Inquiry.10 This is shown in the table below:

Day

Time interval

Distance

1

From 2:20 PM GMT April 11 to local apparent noon April 12

484 nautical miles11

2

From noon April 12 to local apparent noon April 13

519 nautical miles12

3

From noon April 13 to local apparent noon April 14

546 nautical miles13

Total distance run from departure at Daunt’s Rock at 2:20 PM GMT April 11th to local apparent noon April 14th was 1549 nautical miles.

By using the distance traveled per day along the known route of travel we can derive an estimate for the position of the ship at local apparent noon (LAN) each day for April 12, 13, and 14. The actual route taken was a series of rhumb line tracks along the Great Circle. But it is only the end point of each travel day taken at noon that we are most interested in. For the first day we need to consider the route taken from the Daunt’s Rock light vessel to Fastnet light, and then add the segment along the Great Circle track from Fastnet to local apparent noon on April 12th. The route from Daunt’s Rock to Fastnet consisted of two segments. The first was from the Daunt’s Rock light vessel to a turning point off the Old Head of Kinsale Lighthouse, a distance of about 14 nautical miles.

The second segment was from that turning point to Fastnet light which was located on a rock off the southwest coast of Ireland, a distance of about 41 nautical miles.14

The complete route of travel along the southern Irish coast is shown in the figure below.

The total distance taken along this route comes out to be about 55 nautical miles. This distance is then subtracted from the reported distance of the first day’s run to give 484 – 55 = 429 nautical miles, the distance from Fastnet to the noon position for April 12. This noontime position falls on a rhumb line from Fastnet light to an apparent alter course position for 7:00 PM GMT that was sent in a wireless message from the Titanic to the La Touraine that very day.15 The distance between the position at noon and the position sent in the La Touraine message works out to be about 114 nautical miles.

To go from this 7:00 PM GMT position on April 12th to the noontime position for April 13th we have to travel over a distance of about 405 nautical miles to a point on the great circle track. This is because the run between noon April 12 to noon April 13 was reported as 519 miles, and the alter course point for 7:00 PM GMT on April 12th was already about 114 miles beyond the noontime position.

To get to the noontime position for April 14th we have to travel a distance of 546 miles from the noontime position of April 13th to a point on a line of bearing of 060.6° true from a fixed point in the Atlantic called the Corner.16 This corner point, the end of the great circle track at 42° N, 47° W, was the turning point for all westbound ships heading for the east coast of North America that time of the year. The result is a total of 429 + 519 + 546 = 1494 miles from Fastnet to local apparent noon for April 14 over the traveled route. A noontime location that was only 126 miles from the Corner.

Following the method outlined above we are able to find approximate geographic coordinates for local apparent noon on all three days. Not only that, we can easily derive the time, in GMT, when local apparent noon occurred using the ship’s longitude and the equation of time for each date.17 Each of these noontime positions is an approximate position since the exact coordinates are of course unknown with the possible exception of the noon position for Sunday, April 14, the day of the accident. The results are shown in the table below:

Location

Coordinates

GMT at location

Departure Daunt’s Rock April 11

51° 43’ N 08° 16’ W

2:20 PM

Local Apparent Noon April 12

50° 06’ N 20° 43’ W

1:24 PM

Local Apparent Noon April 13

47° 22’ N 33° 10’ W

2:13 PM

Local Apparent Noon April 14

43° 02’ N 44° 31’ W

2:58 PM

The following table shows the actual distances that were worked out between key points along the route of travel for the derived coordinates as well as the rhumb line course angles rounded to the nearest degree.

Leg of Route Traveled

Leg Distance[18] (nautical miles)

Cumulative distance (nautical miles)

Course between[19] (degrees true)

Most likely traveled course from Daunt’s Rock light vessel to LAN on April 14

Daunt’s Rock LV to point off Old Head of Kinsale

14.1

484

14.1

225°

Point off Old Head of Kinsale to Fastnet Light

41.1

55.2

256°

Fastnet Light to LAN April12

429.1

484.3

260°

LAN April 12 to 7:00 PM GMT April 12

114.6

519

598.9

260°

19:00 GMT April 12 to LAN April 13

404.7

1003.6

249°

LAN April 13 to LAN April14

545.8

546

1549.4

242°

Intended course from LAN on April 14 to Ambrose Channel light vessel

LAN April 14 to the Corner (42°N, 47°W)

126.1

126

1675.5

241°

Corner to point off Nantucket Shoals LV

1022.8

1216

2698.3

265°

Point off Nantucket Shoals to Ambrose LV

192.8

2891.1

268°

A plot of the intended overall course of the Titanic from the Daunt’s Rock light vessel to the Ambrose Channel light vessel is shown in the attached figure. For completeness, the location of the wreck site as well as a derived position for the 7:30 PM ATS star site of April 14th are also shown.20

On the Titanic the ship’s clocks were set back each night so that at local apparent noon the following day the clocks would read 12:00. As quoted in a 1924 brochure for Olympic passengers:

It is necessary to put the clock back every 24 hours. The alteration in time is made at about midnight, and the clock is usually put back from 35 to 45 minutes on each occasion, the exact amount of time depending upon the distance the ship is estimated to make by noon the next day. During the first 24 hours, however, owing to the change from mean time to apparent time, the alteration is likely to be considerably more than 45 minutes...

Since we now have derived the time in GMT when local apparent noon occurred for each day since leaving Queenstown, we can easily determine the setback of the ship’s clocks. Clock setback times are simply the difference between the time in GMT of local apparent noon for a given day minus the time in GMT of local apparent noon for the previous day except for the first day out. In that case, if their clocks were keeping GMT when they left Queenstown, the total setback would be the difference between the GMT of local apparent noon for April 12th and 12:00 which was 1 hour and 24 minutes.21

The following table show the total clock adjustments for the first three days out from Queenstown.

Date

Amount of Setback

April 11/12

1 hour 24 minutes from GMT

April 12/13

49 minutes

April 13/14

45 minutes

It should also be noted that the planned setback for midnight of April 14/15 was 47 minutes.22 Because of the accident, this was not carried out.23

In addition to the above, we also can easily derive the interval of time between each day’s run.24 This is shown in the table below:

Days Run

Time Interval

Daunt’s Rock to LAN April 12

23 hours 04 minutes (23.07 hours)

LAN April 12 to LAN April 13

24 hours 49 minutes (24.82 hours)

LAN April 13 to LAN April 14

24 hours 45 minutes (24.75 hours)

Now that we have the time of each day’s run, we can get the speed made good over ground by simply dividing the distance run for each day by the time of each day’s run. This is shown in the following table:

Days Run

Average Speed per Day Over Ground 25

Daunt’s Rock to LAN April 12

484/23.07 = 21.0 knots

Noon April 12 to LAN April 13

519/24.82 = 20.9 knots

Noon April 13 to LAN April 14

546/24.75 = 22.1 knots

It should be pointed out that the ship’s speed over ground is not the same as the speed through the water. Despite an increase in revolutions from 70 rpm on Thursday, to 72 rpm on Friday, and then to 75 rpm on Saturday,26 the speed over ground did not necessarily increase by the same proportion. Clearly, the ship was affected by the North Atlantic Drift which varied in intensity along the route of travel. This is something that can be seen in modern day satellite data that measures the drift of oceanic currents. Despite the small increase in revolutions, the ship averaged about the same ground speed for the second day out as she did on the first day out. An increase of about 1 knot in ground speed was observed for the third day out when the revolutions were raised from 72 rpm to 75 rpm. It should also be noted that a further increase in revolutions were carried out early Sunday evening when additional boilers were added on line. It was recorded that the ship was averaging about 22.5 knots through the water less than two hours before the accident happened.27 Considering the course over ground from the April 14th noon location to a turning point just 4.5 miles to the southwest of the Corner,28 then to the 7:30 PM celestial fix location, and then to an assumed collision point close to the location of the wreck site, we find a total distance over ground that would have been traveled of about 260 nautical miles. Taking 11 hours and 40 minutes from noon, the average speed over ground works out to be 22.3 knots. It is also interesting to note that the measured distance traveled through the water since noon as recorded on the taffrail log at the time of the accident was also 260 nautical miles.29

In summary, we have derived the most likely locations of the Titanic at local apparent noon on each of the first three days out from Queenstown. These were obtained from the reported distances made good and planned route of travel. We also were able to derive the time in GMT of local apparent noon for each of those days, and the amount of time the clocks were set back each night. We also derived the average speed made good over ground for each of those three days of travel.


1 In 1880 the legal time for Great Britain was made Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) by Act of Parliament. In the same act the legal time for all of Ireland was made Dublin Mean Time (DMT) and was not changed till 1916 to be the same as GMT. Dublin is at longitude 6° 15' W, which meant that DMT was 25 minutes behind GMT. [For a more detailed history of events up to this point, see Derek Howse, Greenwich Time and the Longitude (National Maritime Museum / Philip Wilson Publishers, 1997).] However, according to the rules and regulations of the International Mercantile Marine Company (owners of the White Star Line) that were in effect in 1912, departure and arrival times when entering or leaving English or Irish waters were always to be recorded in GMT. Once out to sea, time was kept according to where the ship would be at local apparent noon, the instant of time when the true sun would reach its highest point in the sky. Time being kept this way was known as Apparent Time Ship or ATS. When arriving or departing points in the United States or Canada, ship’s time would be changed to the mean time for the 75th meridian of longitude which was exactly 5 hours behind GMT.

2 A Great Circle track is the path you would get if you took a tightly stretched string and used it to connect any two points on a globe. It is the shortest distance that connects those two points.

3 A rhumb line track is the path that you would get by following a fixed compass direction without change. If the compass direction you followed was due north or due south, you would also be following a great circle track on one of the earth’s meridians. You would also be on a great circle track if you happened to be on the earth’s equator and went due east or due west. Any other direction to the north or south of due east or due west will eventually spiral in toward one of the earth’s poles.

4 This route was known as the southern track taken by steamers heading westbound across the Atlantic leaving Queenstown. It was in effect from January 15th through August 23rd. The point called “the corner” marked the end of the great circle part of the westbound voyage. Eastbound steamers on the southern track would reach a corner point 60 nautical miles to the south of the westbound corner point before they would take to the great circle part of their eastbound voyage. From August 24th through January 14th these routes were shifted northward by about 120 nautical miles, and were know as the northern track. A voyage taken on the northern track made the passage across the Atlantic about 110 nautical miles shorter. After the Titanic disaster the southern tracks were shifted further southward.

5 The Daunt’s Rock light vessel was located at 51° 43’ N, 08° 16’ W from 1905-1938. (Ref: “A Directory of Hydrographic and Atmospheric Datasets for the North East Atlantic and UK Shelf Seas,” Science Series Tech. Report No. 113, Centre for Environmental, Fisheries and Aquaculture Science, 2001, App. 1 – MAFF Coastal Sea Temperature Stations.) The location of the rock itself is at 51° 43’ 30’’ N, 08° 17’ 30’’ W (Ref: www.traveljournals.net).

6 We take the turning point to be about 3.3 miles south of the Old Head of Kinsale lighthouse. The lighthouse itself is located on the coast at 51°36.3' N, 8°31.9' W (Ref: The Commissioners of Irish Lights at www.cil.ie).

7 Fastnet lighthouse itself is precisely located on a rock island at 51º 23.3’ N, 09º 36.1’ W (Ref: The Commissioners of Irish Lights at www.cil.ie).

8 Following the Olympic’s second voyage of 1911, we will take this point to be about 2 miles south of the Nantucket Shoals light vessel. The light vessel itself was listed in the US Coast Pilot Part III for 1912 at 40° 37’ 05’’ N, 69° 36’ 33’’ W.

9 The Ambrose Channel light vessel was listed in the US Coast Pilot Part IV for 1909 at 40° 28’ 02’’ N, 73° 50’ 01’’ W. Before passing Ambrose the ship would also pass the Fire Island light vessel located at 40° 28’ 40’’ N, 73° 11’ 26’’ W. But it was the Ambrose Channel light vessel that marked the end of the Atlantic crossing and entrance to lower NY harbor.

10 Although there were several errors in the memorandum submitted by Pitman, the distances provided for each day’s run can be confirmed from other testimonies and sources. (See American Inquiry, pages 420-421.)

11 Confirmation of the run for Day 1 of 484 miles comes from testimony of J. Bruce Ismay.

12 Confirmation of the run for Day 2 of 519 miles comes from Ismay and 2nd class passenger Lawrence Beesely. In his book, The Loss of the SS Titanic, Beesley wrote that the purser had mentioned to him that the 519 mile run for day 2 was a disappointment.

13 Confirmation of the run for Day 3 of 546 miles comes from Ismay, and passengers Lawrence Beesley, Henry Stengel and Archibald Gracie.

14 Photographs of the Old Head of Kinsale and Fastnet lighthouses presented in this article are by permission of Philip Plisson (www plisson com).

15 Although the course of the ship was usually set at noon each day, it appears that the Titanic’s course was changed about 5 hours 36 minutes past LAN (which was at 1:24 PM GMT) on the 12th of April. This 7:00 PM GMT position, which was transmitted from the Titanic to the La Touraine at 7:45 PM GMT, is about 6 miles north of the great circle track at the reported longitude. It is interesting to note that in the log of Olympic’s second voyage to New York (in July 1911), the last two out of three noontime positions along the great circle part of her route were 10 and 8 miles to the north of the great circle track line, respectively. Additionally, the first noontime position for the part of Olympic’s route from the Corner to the Nantucket Shoals light vessel was 6 miles to the north of the rhumb line track that she was to be on.

16 From testimony given by the Titanic’s 5th Officer Harold Lowe (American Inquiry, p. 381), the course from noon to the corner was 240.6° true, and the distance was 126 nautical miles (after correcting what appears to be a transposition error of two digits in the transcript of his testimony). Working back from the Corner at 42° N, 47° W, and going 126 nautical miles along the reciprocal heading (060.6° true) gets us to a noon position of 43° 02’ N, 44° 31’ W. This position is a total distance run of 1549 miles from Daunt’s Rock over the course that was traveled.

17 Since the Earth makes one complete rotation with respect to the sun in 24 hours, and since there are 360 degrees in a complete rotation, each 15 degree change in longitude corresponds to an hour change in time. Traveling westward, for example, you would need to reset your clock back by 1 hour for every 15 degree change in longitude that you make. However, this 24 hour day that we are all so used to is measured with respect to a fictitious sun called the mean sun. The earth’s rotation with respect to the true sun, also called the apparent sun, is not exactly 24 hours. This difference arises from two separate causes. The first is that the plane of the equator is not the same as the plane of the earth's orbit around the sun, but is offset from it by the angle of obliquity, the tilt of the earth’s poles. The second is that the orbit of the earth around the sun is an ellipse and not a circle, and the apparent motion of the sun is not exactly equal throughout the year but appears to be moving fastest when the earth is closest to the sun. Even standing on the prime meridian at Greenwich, this difference can cause the true sun to be overhead several minutes before or several minutes after the clock strikes 12:00 PM GMT, depending on the time of the year. This difference is what is called the Equation of Time and must be added or subtracted from the mean time when calculating local apparent noon for any point on the surface of the earth.

18 Rhumb line distances shown here are based on a mid-latitude calculation method for a spherical earth. One minute of arc in latitude is equal to one nautical mile.

19 Rounded off to the nearest degree.

20 Samuel Halpern, “A Minute of Time,” THS Commutator, Vol. 29, No. 171 and 172, 2005.

21 Although the clocks were adjusted the night before to read 12:00 for local apparent noon the next day, a minor adjustment up to a minute if needed was made in the forenoon when they obtained a more accurate longitude for their noontime position (American Inquiry, p. 294.) If the Titanic’s clocks were adjusted back by 25 minutes the night before her arrival at Queenstown to Dublin Mean Time (which was kept throughout Ireland in 1912) as some people have suggested, then the total clock setback (including adjustment in the forenoon) for the first day out from Queenstown would have been 59 minutes. There is some indirect evidence that suggests that the clocks might have been set back about 58 minutes at midnight during the first night’s run since departing Queenstown as this number appeared in a memorandum prepared and submitted by 3rd Officer Pitman to the American Inquiry (pp. 420-421). That memorandum had in it the distances run for each day and the departure time at Daunt’s Rock. As pointed out before, departure times in English and Irish waters were always recorded in GMT by White Star Line rules. A 2:20 PM GMT departure can also be check against the speed she was making carrying 70 revolutions per minute. Other setback times in that memo, however, can be shown to be completely unreliable, and cannot be verified by any other available evidence.

22 American Inquiry, page 451.

23 American Inquiry, page 294.

24 The time interval from LAN one day to LAN the next day is just 24 hours plus the amount of time the clocks were set back. This hold for all days except the first day out. Because they took departure in the afternoon at 2:20 PM GMT off the Daunt’s Rock light vessel, the time of the first day’s run is 24 hours minus the difference between their departure time in GMT on April 11 and the time of LAN in GMT on April 12. That difference was 2:20 – 1:24 = 0:56. Therefore 56 minutes from 24 hours leaves 23 hours and 4 minutes, the time interval from departure at the Daunt’s Rock light vessel on April 11 to local apparent noon on April 12.

25 Speed over ground is not the same as speed through the water. Ground speed is the vector addition of speed through the water plus the net affect of current and wind.

26 American Inquiry, page 3.

27 British Inquiry, 965.

28 Samuel Halpern, “A Minute of Time,” THS Commutator, Vol. 29, No. 171 and 172, 2005.

29 British Inquiry, 17608.

This article first appeared in the White Star Journal of the Irish Titanic Historical Society. Copyright 2006

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  1. L. Marmaduke Collins L. Marmaduke Collins
    Referencing ET article Keeping track of a Maiden voyage. Apart from changing the evidence of 5th Officer Lowe and ignoring the evidence of 3rd Officer Pitman to Br Inquiry, what is the logic for adding 126 miles to the route distance of 1492.8 miles (from off Fasnet to Noon 14th Memorandum of Mr. Pitman) making a total route distance of 1618.8 nm ? [quote] noon position of 43° 02’ N, 44° 31’ W. This position is a total distance run of 1549 miles from Daunt’s Rock over the course that was traveled.[/quote] +126 = 1675 - 56.2 =1618.8 The GC distance from off Fasnet to the Corner 42/47 = 1618 (1617.9) nm The 5° longitude rhumb line route distance = 1623 (1623.1) nm The 10° longitude rhumb line route distance = 1624 (1624.3) nn Are you suggesting that Titanic sailed a true GC track from off Fastnet to the Corner? As Titanic did not follow either of the above routes. Her first course
  2. Bill West Bill West
    Good Morning, Captain Those 1623/24 mile rhumb line routes are for a flattened sphere earth. Footnote 18 mentioned that Sam used round sphere calculations, they would be consistent with 1912 practice and testimony. Bill
  3. L. Marmaduke Collins L. Marmaduke Collins
    [quote] For the work I did on the Titanic, I got 1675.5 miles from Daunt's Rock to the corner, totally consistent with that Olympic data.[/quote] 1675.5 miles is not necessarily applicable to Titanic. It incorporates 126 miles, a figure arbitrarily derived by ‘fudging’ the evidence of 5th. Officer Lowe. [quote] From testimony given by the Titanic’s 5th Officer Harold Lowe (American Inquiry, p. 381), the course from noon to the corner was 240.6° true, and the distance was 126 nautical miles (after correcting what appears to be a transposition error of two digits in the transcript of his testimony).[/quote] Titanic’s navigating officer Pitman stated in evidence to the British inquiry that the distance from Noon 14th to the corner (42/47) was 110.5 miles. He also stated that the course alteration was made at 5:50 p.m. at least 10 miles to the south and west of the corner. [quote] 15173. (Mr. Harbinson.) I will observe your ruling. (To the witness.) Do you know at what
  4. Bill West Bill West
    Capt’n, in this paper the course is trimmed at Sunday noon to 241TC. Inside the calculations it is more exactly 240d 33.5’ per Lowe which at 126 miles is about 0.1’ from 42/47. But Sam, maybe the 2nd para should clarify the distinction between The Corner at 42/47 & 126 miles and The Turn given in the 2nd from the last para as 4.5 miles southwest (and 11-12 minutes later) at 5:50pm. Because the delay is well known and because I put all of this in sequence on a spreadsheet to understand it before I tried evaluating it, I had readily caught the distinction but maybe it needs emphasis. As far as Lowe’s 126 miles Sunday noon to The Corner versus Pitman’s 110.5 I too have tabulated this trip and have drawn yet another set of conclusions. But Sam’s advantage over me is that he has published, if I catch up then maybe I can challenge his points and we can reduce them to a sounder conclusion. In the mean time however I can’t fairly criticize his detailed paper when my
  5. David G. Brown David G. Brown
    Navigation is not about "where we've been," but rather "where we are going." In 1912, however, it was always necessary to know where you were in order to know how to get to where you were going. This requirement explains the need to obtain regular position "fixes" using landmarks when available and the stars when offshore. The real problem in understanding Titanic's interrupted voyage is not the great circle course. To understand the last 6 hours the only critical piece of data is "where did the ship think it was at the start of the rhumb line for New York?" The reason for this question being paramount is quite simple. The start of the rhumb line marks a new departure point for the ship's navigation. Nothing prior to that moment applies with regard to the dead reckoning that was done in the ship's chartroom or the captain's navigation office. What time did they take departure on the rhumb line? What geographic coordinates did they use for departure on the rhumb line?
  6. Samuel Halpern Samuel Halpern
    [quote] Navigation is not about "where we've been," but rather "where we are going."[/quote] Not so. Navigation is about "where you are, where you were, and where you are going." You cannot get to where you want to go unless you know where you are, or think you are. And until you get a fix, where you think you are depends on where you were. The course to steer from point A to point B (e.g., the noon position to the corner) is not necessarily the course line between the two points. Compensation for an estimate of the local current can be factored in to get an estimated position, not a DR point. In aviation pilotage we do this all the time based on estimated winds aloft and corrected if need be based on measurement once in flight. It does not surprise me that there is a slight difference in heading Vs. course line. The 126 miles from noon to the corner was the remaining distance to the corner after the ship had completed 1549 miles of travel since leaving Daunt's Rock. The
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  7. David G. Brown David G. Brown
    Navigation really has only one requirement: predict the future course (and sometimes speed) of a vessel endeavoring to reach a specific destination. There is no other purpose for navigation in the life of a ship other than determining how to get where it's going. We should not confuse the data necessary to perform that predictive function with the actual purpose of the exercise. In 1912 it was impossible for a navigator to know the course to a destination without knowing the ships location first. That is, even Joseph Boxhall with his nav training could not find his way anywhere if he did not know the latitude and longitude of his starting point. Dropped in the middle of an ocean, he would have been lost despite all of the accouterments of a navigator. (Today, the GPS system “knows” where the satellites are, so can find a lost navigator, but that was in the future beyond Boxhall’s lifetime in 1912.) So, there was an absolute need to know at all times the answer to the question,
  8. Samuel Halpern Samuel Halpern
    "In 1912 it was impossible for a navigator to know the course to a destination without knowing the ships location first." Why just 1912? The course to a destination has meaning only relative to some location you are at or believe you are at. "Dropped in the middle of an ocean, he would have been lost despite all of the accouterments of a navigator." Not true. You don't need GPS to know where you are if dropped in the middle of the ocean. I'll take a sextant, chronometer, nautical almanac, some paper and a pencil and the ability to get a set of stars. I won't get my position to 50 meters, but within about a nautical mile may be possible if the instruments are accurate enough. "knowing the DR track line is never accurate." The DR track is accurate if plotted correctly. What is not accurate is saying that the ground track will always match the DR track. I think that is what you meant. "Had a graphical track line been kept in Titanic, it would not be a smooth,
  9. L. Marmaduke Collins L. Marmaduke Collins
    Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 6:37 pm: [quote] Referencing ET article Keeping track of a Maiden voyage. ....what is the logic for adding 126 miles to the route distance of 1492.8 miles (from off Fasnet to Noon 14th Memorandum of Mr. Pitman) making a total route distance of 1618.8 nm ? [/quote] The unsigned and undated "Ship’s Run Data", presented at the United States Senate Inquiry and purported to be a memorandum of Third Officer Herbert Pitman , SS Titanic, in my opinion contains too many discrepancies to have been authored by a highly certified and competent ship’s navigator of Third Officer Pitman’s calibre.
  10. Samuel Halpern Samuel Halpern
    G'day Dave Gittins. You wrote, [quote] "I took over the headphone from him, and he was preparing to retire when Capt. Smith entered the cabin and told us to get assistance immediately. Mr. Phillips resumed the phones, after asking the captain if he should use the regulation distress call "C Q D." The captain said "Yes," and Mr. Phillips started in with "C Q D," having obtained the latitude and longitude of the Titanic." In other words, Phillips waited for Boxhall to give him the position, as Boxhall described, but the first transmission may have been incorrect. [/quote] I don't see where Bride gives any hint as to where Phillips got the coordinates from. Since he mentions only Smith being there it would be natural to assume that it was Smith himself who gave those coordinates to Phillips right then and there. I think you are reading more into what Bride wrote only because you know that Boxhall had worked up the coordinates that were eventually sent out as a "corrected
  11. David G. Brown David G. Brown
    I know Sam has comments about what I wrote. He is, indeed, the loyal opposition. One thing I do want to repeat: my view of the two sets of CQD coordinates contain the same "error" and are both based on the same data. Although both were "wrong" for the actual location of Titanic, the problem was not with 7:30 stars or any navigational computation. In fact, the first CQD position represents an accurate prediction of Titanic's midnight (change of civil date & time) location. The second set of coordinates is removed by 20 minutes at 22 knots, which by definition is 11:40 p.m. in the time reference of the first set. Quite obviously, there was an "error" made. This is demonstrated by the distance from either set of CQD coordinates to the wreck site. This "error" was also noted on 15 April 1912 by Mt. Temple. My contention is that the first set of CQD coordinates were known to be the ship's predicted midnight. Captain Smith chose to use them for very logical reasons: 1.) he had
  12. Samuel Halpern Samuel Halpern
    David. If we are to follow your theory we must all work from the same page, or should I say plotting sheet. You said you the course change was made at the corner, 42°N, 47°W, at 5:45 to a course 266.5 true. Forgetting the little detail that record had the turn at 5:50 to 266 true, if we take what you said and go from the corner on 266.5 true you never get to the point that you call "the crossing" at 41°51'N 49°43.6'W. Your "crossing" point is on a line 265.8 true, not 266.5, and located 122.5 miles from the corner, or 5 hours 34 minutes at 22 knots. If the the turn was made at 5:45, then that point is reached at 11:19 ATS, not 11:30. More importantly, it doesn't fall on the 255 degree line extended through the two CQD positions. It's off to the east. (You must have been using a very thick pencil point.) So as a friend, let's fix the numbers in your scenario since I know exactly where you are coming from. Let's go backward on the reciprocal
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  13. L. Marmaduke Collins L. Marmaduke Collins
    [quote] Do the math. It comes to 126 miles. He obviously came up with that speed by doing the opposite, dividing 126 by 6 which is a simplification of the actual time from noon to the turning point of 5 hrs 50 min.[/quote] A more careful perusal of ET article “Keeping track of a maiden voyage” shows that the course and distance from off the Old Head of Kinsale to departure off Fastnet are inaccurate, and in fact puts Titanic on a course for a grounding on Fastnet Rock. The correct course is 252° distance 42 miles , making the departure off Fastnet 51° 20' N, 9° 36'W . Consequently, the noon positions calculated for April 12th , 13th and 14th are inaccurate. On the basis of the Memorandum, purported to be of 3/Officer Pitman, the noon position April 14, 1912 is 43° 04.7'N, 44° 26'W, 131 nautical miles ( not the fudged 126.1 nm) 060.40°from the corner 42° N/47° W. From the noon 13th position to noon 14th position the course is calculated as 242° T ,and at
  14. Samuel Halpern Samuel Halpern
    Capt. Collins. Taking departure off Fastnet 3 miles south of what I used makes almost no difference in getting to the LAN locations I gave in my article. Regarding the evidence, Rowe gave the steering compass course as S85W before the course was altered. You said that corresponds to 242° true. What I said in my article was the "intended" course from noon to the corner "rounded to the nearest degree" was 241° true. The more precise direction would be 240.6° (see footnote 16). Lowe actually said from memory "60º 33 1/2' west" which is taken to mean S60°33.5'W, or 240.56° true. Now we know from Lightoller that N71W (289°) on the steering compass corresponded to S86W (266°)true. The difference is variation plus deviation error which is 23° for that particular heading. Applying the same correction for a steering compass course of S85W (265°) gets 242° true as you say. But is this the correct correction to apply? The 23 degree correction,
  15. L. Marmaduke Collins L. Marmaduke Collins
    [quote] Capt. Collins. Taking departure off Fastnet 3 miles south of what I used makes almost no difference in getting to the LAN locations I gave in my article.[/quote] Based on the purported Pitman Memorandum and real practical navigation your positions for Noon 12th, 13th and 14th are erroneous. Noon 12th should be 50° 06'N, 20° 40'W Compare with your 50° 06'N, 20°43'W A discrepancy of 2 miles . Based on your track line of 249° x 402 miles: Noon 13th should be 47° 21'N, 33° 03.5'W Compare with your 47° 22N, 33° 10'W A discrepancy of 4.4 miles. Based on your track 242° x 546 miles Noon 14th should be 43° 04.7'N, 44° 26'W Distance to Corner = 131 miles Compare with your 43° 02' N, 44° 31'W Distance to Corner = 126.5 miles A discrepancy of 3.7 miles If, as you assume, 240.6° T = S 85° W Comp. the 5:45 PM (5:50PM) course alteration to 266° (N71°WComp) was made at position 42°03'N, 46° 56'W, taking Titanic north of the customary route
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