Mrs. Flegenheimer overview

A researcher on Ancestry.com has identified the following info on the elusive Mrs. Flegenheimer

*She was born circa 1871 to Wm. Wendt and Pauline Wagner

*Her 1891 address was 135 E58 St

*She was married to Alfred Flegenheimer  on November 1, 1890 in NY

*June 20, 1912 she married Paul Elliot White-Hurst in Buffalo, NY.

*Paul White-Hurst was born in Stafford, England in 1878 and in 1912 was a resident of Toronto

*Lived in Trafalgar Sq till the war when he sailed for Belgium to offer his services in the war office. According to his file, she lived at 'The Hague'.

*The presumably separated sometime during the war

*Her ex-husband re-married in 1932 ro Marion Angold and died in Wilstshire in 1964

As others searching Ancestry have found, she was still alive in Munchen, Germany in 1938

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  1. Jeffrey said:

    Has anybody figured out Mrs Flegenheim's maiden name? Much thanks to those that know.

  2. Gavin Bell said:

    Does anyone know Antoinette's age in 1912 or what became of her? Thanks Cameron

  3. Jeffrey said:

    I saw listed in some book that her age was 47. I was told by Phillip Gowan that it is believed she died in Europe as a Mrs White Hurst or Whitehurst. Hopefully somebody has learned more now.

  4. Jaques said:

    Wasn't she the friend of Leo and Blanche Greenfield?

  5. Jeffrey said:

    That is a good question. She was probably friends with Mrs Ryerson, a fellow Philadelphia passenger. Mrs Flegenheim was from Philadelphia, although she did not give out her address and refused to be interviewed.

  6. Michael Findlay said:

    Dear Jeffrey and others, Charles Haas, John Eaton and myself learned in 1985 that Mrs. Flegenheim was Mrs. P. E. White-Hurst in 1913. By the time she filed her claim against the White Star Line, she had evidently remarried and was living back in Europe. Mrs. Flegenheim was a friend of Mrs. Greenfield, but I know of no connection between she and Mrs. Ryerson. Mrs. Flegenheim lived in Philadelphia for a time but lived mainly in New York City and Europe. I'm sorry to say that I don't know what became of Antoinette Flegenheim after the disaster. Descendants of the Greenfield family... Read full post

  7. Jeffrey said:

    Thank you for the information. I wish you guys the best in tracking her down even further!

  8. Brian Ahern said:

    Has anyone ever been able to dig up more info on the elusive Mrs. F? All I know is what's on this site - that she was a wealthy widow in her late forties who had immigrated from Germany with her husband while in her twenties, that she divided her time between Europe and the USA, was friends with the Greenfields, and married an Englishman named White-Hurst in late 1912. Threads have been started on this topic a few times over the years. At one point, valiant researchers even went so far as to scour the names of World War II concentration camp prisoners on the supposition that she was Jewish... Read full post

  9. Randy Bryan Bigham said:

    Daniel Klistorner has info on this lady as, of course, does Phil Gowan and Brian Meister. Daniel shared her White Star Line claim with me, so I can tell you she had some fine clothes and jewelry with her on Titanic!

  10. Brian Ahern said:

    Thanks, Randy. That's something at least. And it's not surprising that she treated herself to the finer things. I have the impression (albeit based on very little) that she was someone who got out and about and enjoyed life. I suppose the others are saving what they know for the book, which is fair enough. Thanks again, Brian

  11. Sally Sorour said:

    Brian , when will this book come out and where can I get a copy?

  12. Brian Ahern said:

    Sorry to get your hopes up Sally. I meant that there are those on this site who have much as-yet-unrecorded info on various passengers - including, perhaps, Antoinette Flegenheim - who have a book in the works that won't be coming out for a long while. The rest of us just have to sit tight, which ain't easy! All the best, Brian

  13. Phillip Gowan said:

    Brian and Sally, Estimating a date of publication isn't really a cut and dry deal. We actually have plenty of never before made public information, photos, etc. and could go ahead and publish very quickly. But the dilemma is that we keep finding new (and sometimes important) information and documentation on a regular basis and that sort of keeps us continuing on in the research mode. Having retired slightly over a year ago, I spent this year traveling extensively on several continents and meeting unusual Titanic families in remote places (sometimes even traveling through mountain snowstorms... Read full post

  14. Gerhard Schmidt said:

    Flegenheim(er) Antoinette, née Liche, later remarried Whitehurst, was the only passenger from Berlin, Germany. There she was born in May 1871. In the Berlin address books of this time I found several Liches but no indication which would have been her father. In 1891 and also in Berlin she married Alfred Flegenheimer (probably from Frankfurt/Main) and they went to New York City in 1892. They had no children. The mother of Mr Flegenheimer lived in Berlin, Regentenstrasse 2. He had a brother Hermann Flegenheimer (born 1878 in Frankfurt/Main) who was in film business (according to an... Read full post

  15. Thorsten Totzke said:

    Wow Gerhard

  16. Martin Williams said:

    Brian, I have a little nugget of information relating to the elusive Antoinette Flegenheim which might possibly provide you with a new lead in your research. A few years ago, I read Friederich Reck-Malleczewan's devastasting and savage wartime diaries. In effect one of the most brilliantly written and utterly damning indictments of the Nazi regime in existence, it is not perhaps the first source one would turn to for information on the 'Titanic'. Nevertheless, in one of his entries for 1942 or '43, Reck-Malleczewan records meeting in Berlin a 'Titanic' survivor, a lady, who told him that,... Read full post

  17. Brian Ahern said:

    That is fascinating, Martin. It's difficult to imagine who the lady could have been. If it was Mrs. Flegenheim, perhaps she wasn't Jewish after all? And perhaps she was only the widow or ex-wife of an Englishman by that point? Otherwise, the only first class passenger I can think of who might have been able to travel round Germany with impunity (i.e. belonging to a neutral country) is Mrs. Lindstroem. And there is nothing in that lady's history (or what we know of it) to indicate that she had German relatives or any other reason for being there at such a time.

  18. Martin Williams said:

    Of course, it might not be a first class passenger at all. I'm basing that assumption purely on the fact that Reck-Malleczewan himself was of aristocratic birth and so presumably tended to associate more with people of his own class. From reading the diaries of Marie 'Missie' Vasiltchikov, I know that the status of Jews (of mixed parentage, at any rate) and alien nationals in wartime Berlin - or at least in what passed for 'Society' under the Nazi regime - was not as cut-and-dried as we might assume. Nevertheless, I still think it likely that this woman was Antoinette Flegenheim in old... Read full post

  19. Daniel Klistorner said:

    Martin There was an interview published in May 1912 where Mrs Flegenheim gave a fairly detailed (and in my opinion very interesting) account of the sinking. She did not mention any stewards circulating and giving out sandwiches. Then again, and perhaps this is only a minor note, in her claim she mentions going to the Purser's Office twice to request her valuables, but in the account only mentions it once. Given the reasonable detail in her account, I found it surprising that she only mentioned going there once. Perhaps she really only went once and exaggerated this in her claim by... Read full post

  20. Martin Williams said:

    Thanks for that, Daniel. My impression has always been that many survivors enhanced or embellished their stories in later years, incorporating elements which any serious 'Titanic' scholar would immediately recognise as sheer fantasy. I'm not saying that this was done to wilfully deceive - doubtless none of them could know the close scrutiny to which their testimonies would be put by people like us - but merely to make a better party piece. I would absolutely expect there to be inconsistencies between the version of events as told by Antoinette Flegenheim to the press in 1912 and that related... Read full post

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