Discretions and Indiscretions by Lucy Lady Duff Gordon

A memoir by the first internationally acclaimed fashion designer, Lucy Duff Gordon, who went by the professional name Lucile. She pioneered the ‘mannequin parade’ which presaged modern fashion shows; trained the first professional fashion models; modernized lingerie; developed the ‘it girl’ concept popularized in fiction by her sister Elinor Glyn; and founded the first international couture line which was worn by influential members of the worlds of politics and entertainment. She also survived the sinking of the Titanic – which she discusses in this book – and narrowly escaped dying in the sinking of the Lusitania, having cancelled her travel plans due to illness. She and her husband testified at the British inquiry into the disaster, and several films and other dramatic works have depicted her, including A Night to Remember and James Cameron’s Titanic.

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‘Fame-hungry, fast-living and the subject of a whole series of scandals, Lady Duff-Gordon was THE fashion designer of the belle époque’  — Daily Telegraph

From the 2019 revised edition: Lucy Duff-Gordon was one of the original ‘It girls’ and the leading fashion designer and of the Edwardian era. Her infamous House of Lucile was one of the first global fashion brands and created plunging neck lines, slit skirts and trained the first professional models. But for all her achievements and accolades she is perhaps destined to be remembered for her and her husband’s role in the Titanic tragedy of 14/15 April 1912 which they escaped in the notorious ‘millionaire’s boat’, lifeboat No. 1.  With a capacity of forty people, it was launched with only twelve aboard, the fewest to escape in any single lifeboat that night. Sir Cosmo later paid the crew members £5 each, (ostensibly to replace their lost kit and wages), a gesture interpreted by some as blood money for giving the male aristocrat a place on a lifeboat. One of Lucy’s motivations for writing her book was to attempt to finally clear her husband’s name, devoting three chapters to the sinking and their subsequent public vilification in the press.

Lady Lucy Duff-Gordon was born in London in 1863. She ran her fashion house Maison Lucile for over twenty years and served a wealthy clientele including aristocracy, royalty and theatre stars. She published her bestselling autobiography DISCRETIONS AND INDISCRETIONS in 1932. She died in 1935 penniless, survived by her daughter Esmé.

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Jeffrey M. Kern

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Is there any possible way that I can obtain this book? I have searched through bookstores but have found nothing. If anyone can lead me in the right direction I would be very grateful.
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Dave Gittins

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This is where the great libraries of the world come in handy. I don't know where you live, but here in Oz I could get it at some modest expense through the State Library, which has access to the US Library of Congress. The part relevant to Titanic would be quite small enough to copy easily. It's definitely in the LOC.

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Jeffrey M. Kern

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The only closest place I live near is Los Angeles, however; but I am certain that there is a library there that contains the book. Do you know of any place to go in Los Angeles, as I do not know where it is exactly that you live?

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Dave Gittins

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I live in Adelaide, South Australia.

I don't know about the US but I can get books from the LOC via my local library just 1 kilometre away. Unlike most library services here, it wouldn't be free. You may find that there is a big library in LA that has an online catalogue. Worth a try. When I want something obscure from our State Library I can order it brought from storage via the internet before I leave home and it will be waiting for me when I get to the library. Where's that good old American can do?

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Jan C. Nielsen

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Jeffrey,

There are lots of libraries in L.A. The beautiful city library is located in downtown L.A. I believe it's near Wilshire and seventh street, or not far from there. Also, the UCLA library near Beverly Hills, or the USC Library in South Central are good resources. Pasadena has an excellent library system, with good quality service, and its collection goes back many years. I'm sure there are many other sources. Go to one of these and ask for help. If the particular library doesn't have it they can probably steer you to the right place, or look it up and tell you where to find it.

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Mike Herbold

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Jeffrey:
This won't help with the library portion, but you are cordially invited to a gathering of Titanic buffs this coming Sunday, June 25th at the Queeen Mary. We will meet at 11:30 near the bell close to the elevator on the Promenade deck. We'll have lunch together and then wander around the ship a bit.
Mike Herbold
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[email protected]

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Randy Bryan Bigham

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Dear Jeffrey,

If you are looking to read Lucile's entire book you should certainly heed the advice of others in getting the book on interlibrary loan, a very simple procedure. The book is by no means rare; I've noticed it in most large city libraries as well as university libraries. It was a bestseller in biography in 1932. However if you want to read just the Titanic chapters (3) I happen to have copies of this portion that I made some time ago. I luckily own 2 copies of Discretions & Indiscretions (the US & UK editions)which I have bought in recent years. I found one on Bibliofind.com. The other on eBay. I warn you to be prepared to pay a great deal for it at any booksellers for they are very savvy these days & actually know who Lady Duff Gordon is (thanks to the recent movie, maybe?)! I paid $80.00 for my copy at Bibliofind. The eBay copy I got for $35.00 or so. Good hunting. All the Best, Randy

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Vitezslav Ivicic

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Does exist a reprint of Lucile's "Discretions and Indiscretions", her autobiography? I want to buy this book, but a copy from 1932 costs $450 and that's too much for me. Can you help me?

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Vitezslav Ivicic

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Fiona Nitschke

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Vitezslav, I've never seen mention of a reprint and it's a book I've been on the look out for too. Unfortunately every copy I've located bar one has been well beyond my price range.

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A copy went for $65 a couple months ago on ebay. my fingers were not fast enough to grab it! Doing some checks on bookfinder sites- I see the average price, when a copy does appear is in the 225-300 dollar range for this volume. A first edition with dustjacket is going for $450 on ABE Books. The bookseller is in California.

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Randy Bryan Bigham

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I sold an extra copy of the UK edition last month on eBay for around $200. It’s the one to get if you are looking for the best, since it contains portions edited out of the US edition. However the American version is the more attractive looking (in my opinion), with or without its dustjacket. The English issue was bound in blue — and sometimes green — cloth with old fashioned gilt lettering, whereas the American edition was bound in light grey glossy boards with rose-red lettering in an Art Deco motif. I have never seen the original dustjacket for the UK copy, but the American one is quite nice, in cream and grey, with a photo of Lucile on one side and a latticework design on the other, overlaid with the title and author’s name. The back of the cover has some amusing hype and so does the front inner sleeve but there’s no reference to Titanic at all (which is also true of many reviews of the book).

I have offered to make copies of the pages of the book for Vitezslav until such time as he finds an actual copy at a price he can afford.

Hi, Fiona - my editor and I have tried several times to contact you via your website but we’ve never received a reply. Does the email function there work?

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Vitezslav Ivicic

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I can afford the book for around $200, but I can not find it on eBay.

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Michael Tennaro

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Hi Randy,
You can see the dust jacket for the British edition on the Author Pages of my website - and it is nowhere near as attractive as the American version, by the way.

I'm interested to hear that the American edition had portions edited out from the British edition - first I've heard of this. Are we talking significant content here?

Vitezslav,
Sorry, there have been no reprints of the book since the original editions in 1932. As an alternative, you might try the biography about Lucille, which also covers her equally well known (well then anyway) sister Elinor Glyn. The biography is very common and inexpensive. Here are the details:

Etherington-Smith, Meredith & Jeremy Pilcher. The “It” Girls. 1st British printing. London: Hamish Hamilton. 1986. hardcover. isbn: 0241119502. scarcity: fairly common.

all the best, Michael (TheManInBlack) T

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Randy Bryan Bigham

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Michael:

Thanks for directing me to the image on your site of the cover of the UK edition of D&I. Why am I not surprised that Book Diva Patty Miller got her hands on this?

As to the editing of certain passages in the later US version, the deleted portions aren’t significant now but they were thought so at the time. The biggest deletion concerns Lucile’s views of American society and commerce, which seem very apt today, but were considered negative by her American publishers. This passage is about a page long and included remarks about blatant newspaper publicity, jaded American businessmen and their pampered wives, etc., etc, —— pretty tame stuff now but outspoken for the day, apparently. The criticisms she made were spot-on but at the same time she was hypocritical to make them, since she sure did profit from "blatant" American publicity. And if it weren’t for jaded men and pampered ladies, who on earth would she have sold her dresses to?

The other deletions are small but again have to do with concerns that she was mocking American ideals. Only one instance of editing seems justified to modern eyes, and that is her repeated use of the word "Jewish" to describe an American business adversary.

Randy

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paul verstraete

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I have a copy of Lady Duff Gordon's 'Discretions & Indiscretions' up for sale.
It is the English edition (Jarrolds 1932). Linen, no dj. Some slight foxing inside. Price 75 euros (+ p/p)

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