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Edward Self

Fireman

Albert Charles Edward Self
Albert Charles Edward Self

Albert Charles Edward Self (E. Self) 1 was born in Southampton, England on 11 January 1888.2

He was the son of James Self (b. circa 1849) and Harriett Cosser (b. 13 July 1859; d. 1952). His mother was from Salisbury, Wiltshire and his father is believed to have been from Southampton; they were married in South Stoneham in late 1882.

One of four children, Self’s siblings were: James (b. 13 April 1883), Mabel Ellen (b. 9 March 1884; d. 1909) and George William (b. 10 November 1885).

Although what became of his father is not certain, Albert’s mother was remarried in 1890 to housepainter (later a dock labourer) Henry Walter Hatch (b. 1 September 1870 in London; d. 1956). Through this marriage, Albert gained four half-siblings: Henry Walter Kenneth (b. 1892), Mark Gilbert (b. 1894), Violet Dorothy (b. 1897) and Agnes Elizabeth Kate (b. 1901).

On the 1891 census Albert is listed with his mother, siblings and stepfather 19 Edward Road, Freemantle, Southampton. They would move to 36 Kingsley Road in Freemantle by the time of the 1901 census. 

As a youth, Albert was friends with Arthur Curtis and George Kemish and with them and others, he became involved in petty criminality. In 1902 Self and Curtis, along with another boy, received fines for stealing from a bakery on English Road, Southampton. A repeat offender, another misdemeanour in 1906 saw Self sentenced to hard labour.

MISCHIEVOUS YOUTHS
Albert Self, of Kinglsey Road, Harry Walton, of Imperial Avenue; Herbert Bailey, of York Road; George Kemish, of Shirley Road; and Wm. Taylor, of Grove Road, Shirley, youths were summoned by Alexander Henry Frampton for having, on October 26th, stolen a quantity of apples, value 1s., growing in an orchard belonging to the complainant. They all pleaded guilty, except Taylor. Complainant said all four lads except Taylor were in his orchard, and knocked the apples down with sticks. Taylor was standing in the lane at the time. The padlock on witness’ gate had been broken also…
Inspector Boggeln stated that Self had been convicted of larceny three times before, Walton for disturbing the peace, Bailey for theft and wilful damage, and Kemish twice for theft. The magistrates sentenced Self to fourteen days’ imprisonment with hard labour; they fined Walton 5s and costs, or seven days’ imprisonment in default; and fined Kemish and Bailey 10s and costs each, the alternative being fourteen days’ imprisonment.

On the 1911 census Albert, listed as Bert, was still living with his mother and stepfather, then at 3 Kingsley Road. Also present, besides his half-siblings, was his fiancée Henrietta Janette Candy (b. 1888 in Southampton). Albert was then described as a dock labourer.

When he signed-on to the Titanic on 6 April 1912, Self gave his address as Kingsley Road, Southampton and stated that he had transferred from the Oceanic. As a fireman he could expect monthly wages of £6.

Albert Self survived the sinking but it is not known in which lifeboat he was rescued; he was not required to provide evidence to either the American or British inquiries into the disaster.

Returning to Southampton he was married within weeks of the Titanic disaster to Henrietta Candy and they went on to have five children: Albert George (1913-1997), Gilbert William (1915-1983), Dorothy Mary (1918-1998), Andrew John (b. 1924) and Peggy May (b. 1928). The family continued to live on Kingsley Road for many years.

Albert remained at sea with the merchant fleet throughout WWI but later took land-based work near the docks. His wife passed away aged 41 in 1929 and he remained a widower for over twenty years until he remarried in 1952 to widow Minnie Kate Murphy (née Davidson, b. 18 October 1899). That same year he lost his mother at the ripe age of 93.

Albert Self remained in Southampton until his death in 1954; he was buried in Hollybrook Cemetery, Southampton (section C3, plot 90) in an unmarked grave. His second wife Minnie passed away in 1976.

Notes

  1. His name at birth was registered as Albert Charles Self; whilst on Titanic he signed as "E. Self". Upon his death, his name was given as Albert Charles Edward Self.
  2. He frequently gave his date of birth as 11 January 1887; his birth was registered in the first quarter of 1888. On two school registrations, one gave his birthdate as 11 January 1889 and the other as 10 January 1887.

References and Sources

Southern Echo, 14 February 1902, Charge Against Southampton Youths

Research Articles

Titanica! (2017) Hell-raising the Titanic
Titanic murderers, spies, smugglers, bigamists and drunkards...

Documents and Certificates

Agreement and Account of Crew, National Archives, London; BT100/259

Bibliography

Craig Stringer (2003) Titanic People (CDROM)

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  1. Tim Self

    Tim Self

    My name is Tim Self I live in New Zealand , my parents emigrated in 1957 from Southampton, my Dads name was Edward Self born Southampton 22 November 1919 , this gentleman could be my relation even my Grandfather......any relatives out there ? email oneratbag@hotmail .com
  2. Eddself

    Eddself

    hi,my name is Eddie self,my farther also Eddie self grew up in freshfeild rd which is just round the corner from the address given by the 1887 Edward self me and my dad still live in the area. As far as I'm aware there is only one self family in Southampton,my dad had 12 brothers and sisters,so there is a strong possibility we could be related !!!
  3. Oscar

    Oscar

    Well you are both wrong sorry to say this is my great grandfather my name being Oscar self he is also on my side of the family there is a slight chance that the self name from the top of th tree was carried down the other side and you two are my 4th cousins or uncles depending on how old you are
  4. Dale Plank

    Dale Plank

    Hi Oscar, my gran was Peggy M (b.1928), daughter of Albert. Would love to hear more.
  5. Kevin Savage

    Kevin Savage

    Hi Dale My Mother was Dorothy my auntie Peggy used to live in Hamble in Hampshire when I was very young and moved over seas to ? where she had a couple of kids one in the air force and a daughter if you can verify where she moved to would love to talk..Kevin
  6. Kevin Savage

    Kevin Savage

    Hi Dale my mother was your gran's sister Dorothy Mary 1918 - 1998. I used to visit Peggy and family when they lived in Hamble in Hampshire UK. she and her husband then moved overseas I know they had at least two children one in the air force and a girl name escapes me but she visited when I was a teenager in the UK you must be related to the son or the daughter. would love to talk Kevin Savage
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Titanic Crew Summary

Name: Mr Albert Charles Edward Self
Age: 24 years 3 months and 4 days (Male)
Nationality: English
Marital Status: Engaged to Henrietta Janette Candy
Occupation: Fireman
Last Ship: Oceanic
Embarked: Southampton on Saturday 6th April 1912
Rescued  
Disembarked Carpathia: New York City on Thursday 18th April 1912
Died: 1954
Buried: Hollybrook Cemetery, Southampton, Hampshire, England

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