Madeleine Talmage Astor

Madeleine Talmage Astor

Mrs John Jacob Astor (Madeleine Force), 18, was the wife of millionaire John Jacob Astor , they had been on an extended honeymoon in Egypt and Paris and, in the spring of 1912, decided to return to America as First Class passengers on board the brand new Titanic .

They boarded the Titanic at Cherbourg with Colonel Astor's manservant Mr Victor Robbins , Mrs Astor's maid Miss Rosalie Bidois and their pet Airedale Kitty. Also accompanying the Astors was Mrs Astor's private nurse Miss Caroline Louise Endres .

After the accident Colonel Astor left his suite to investigate, he quickly returned and reported to Madeleine that the ship had struck ice. He reassured her that the damage did not appear serious.

Later as they waited on the boat deck , Mrs Astor lent Leah Aks her shawl to keep her son Filly warm. At one point the Astors retired to the gymnasium and sat on the mechanical horses. They wore their lifebelts but Colonel Astor had found another and cut the lining with a pen knife to show his wife what it was made of. Colonel and Mrs Astor later moved down to A-Deck from where Mrs Astor boarded lifeboat 4 aided by her husband and Second Officer Charles Lightoller .

Madeleine inherited from her husband the income from a five-million-dollar trust fund and the use of his home on Fifth Avenue and in the Newport so long as she did not marry. On 14 August 1912, she gave birth to a son with whom she was pregnant on the Titanic , and she named him after her husband, John Jacob Astor.

During World War one She married William K. Dick (and relinquished all claim to the Astor fortune) who was born in Brooklyn, New York on May 28, 1888. They had two sons, William F. and John H. Dick. Mr Dick was a prominent corporate official in companies such as St. Regis Paper Company, Best Foods, Inc., Irving Trust Company, and St. Regis Timber Company. They divorced in 1933 in Reno, Nevada. After their divorce Mr Dick married Virginia Montez Conner on December 24, 1941 and had a daughter and a son. He died at Allen Winden Farm, Islip, New York on September 5, 1953.

Madeleine went on to marry prize-fighter Enzo Fiermonte but they too divorced in 1938 and she took back the surname Dick. She died in Palm Beach, Florida in 1940 at the age of 47, officially of heart disease but possibly after an overdose of prescription drugs.

Notes

John Jacob Astor V was born on the 14 August 1912. He first married Ellen Tuck and had two children, William and Jacqueline. After a divorce he married Gertrude Gretch, and after they divorced, he married Sue Sandford. That marriage endured until Sue's death. John J. Astor, V died in Miami Beach, Florida on June 26, 1992 at the age of 79.

References and Sources

The Palm Beach Times (Florida), Obituary
State of Florida Certificate of Death
The Miami Herald (Florida), June 28 1992, Obituary of John Jacob Astor V
State of Florida Certificate of Death (John Jacob Astor V)
John P. Eaton & Charles A. Haas (1994) Titanic: Triumph & Tragedy , 2nd ed. Patrick Stephens Ltd. ISBN 1 85260 493 X
Don Lynch & Ken Marschall (1992) Titanic: An Illustrated History . London, Hodder & Stoughton. ISBN 0 340 56271 4
Contract Ticket List , White Star Line 1912 (National Archives, New York; NRAN-21-SDNYCIVCAS-55[279])

Research Articles

Michael Poirier Voyage (2021) John Jacob Astor’s Fatal Mistake

Newspaper Articles

New York Times (2 August 1911) COL. ASTOR TO WED MADELEINE FORCE
The New York Times (8 August 1911) COL. ASTOR IN TENNIS MATCH
New York Times (16 August 1911) ARRANGE ASTOR SETTLEMENT
New York Times (1 September 1911) ASTOR WEDDING DAY NOT SET
New York Times (2 September 1911) COL. ASTOR MAY WED ANY DAY
New York Times (3 September 1911) COL. ASTOR AT FERNCLIFF
New York Times (7 September 1911) ASTOR OFFERS $1,000 AS MARRIAGE FEE
New York Times (8 September 1911) Greenwich Expected the Wedding
New York Times (8 September 1911) PASTOR IS CONGRATULATED
New York Times (8 September 1911) SAY ASTOR WEDDING IS NEAR AT HAND
New York Times (9 September 1911) CLERICAL CARPENTER TO MARRY COL. ASTOR
New York Times (10 September 1911) COL. ASTOR WEDS MADELEINE FORCE
New York Times (11 September 1911) CRITICISE PASTOR WHO MARRIED ASTOR
The New York Times (3 October 1911) SUE COL. ASTOR FOR $30,000
New York Times (8 November 1911) MINISTER WHO WED ASTOR QUITS CHURCH
New York Times (24 January 1912) BIG CROWD SAILS TO-DAY
New-York Tribune (25 January 1912) ASTORS SAIL FOR EGYPT
New York Times (7 April 1912) Americans in Rome
Washington Times (15 April 1912) MRS. JOHN JACOB ASTOR
New York Times (16 April 1912) COL. JOHN JACOB ASTOR
Worcester Evening Post (16 April 1912) NO HOPE FOR MORE SURVIVORS
Worcester Telegram (16 April 1912) Walter Porter Among Those on Titanic
Miss. Carrie Endres Sister of Worcester Man Also on Board Lost Liner
Le Petit Journal (17 April 1912) Madeleine Astor Force
New York Times (17 April 1912) Mrs. Astor
New York Times (17 April 1912) VINCENT ASTOR AS HEAD OF HIS FAMILY
New York Times (17 April 1912) Vincent Astor's Grief
Washington Times (18 April 1912) MRS. JOHN JACOB ASTOR (1)
The Globe (18 April 1912) Tragic Honeymoons
Among the passengers of the ill-fated Titanic were a number of honeymoon couples
Brooklyn Daily Eagle (19 April 1912) Astor Gave Up Lifeboat Seat
Worcester Evening Gazette (19 April 1912) Astor Put Boy By Wife's Side
The Greenwich News (19 April 1912) GREENWICH PEOPLE SAVED
Daily Home News (19 April 1912) HOME NEWS GAVE CITY FIRST NEWS OF CARPATHIA'S LANDING
New York Times (19 April 1912) HOW J. B. THAYER DIED
Washington Times (19 April 1912) ISMAY CONDEMNED FOR TAKING BOAT
Washington Herald (19 April 1912) ISMAY LEFT SHIP AT WOMEN'S PLEA
Washington Times (19 April 1912) J. J. ASTOR ACTED BRAVELY, DECLARE MANY WHO SAW HIM
Col. John Jacob Astor kissed his bride good-by as he placed her in the waiting lifeboat.
The Toronto Daily Star (19 April 1912) LAST MAN TO LEAVE TITANIC WAS COLONEL GRACIE, U.S.A.
The Daily Banner (19 April 1912) MET BY STEPSON
Fort Wayne News (19 April 1912) Mrs Nasrallah writes to Mrs Astor
Washington Herald (19 April 1912) MRS. ASTOR NEAR COLLAPSE AT PIER
MISS CAROLINE BONNELL Washington Times (19 April 1912) NO ALARM FELT WHEN STEAMER FIRST STRUCK
Atlantic City Daily Press (20 April 1912) ALARMED COUNTY MAN FINDS SISTER WAS RESCUED
L'Excelsior (20 April 1912) Astor says: We'll Meet in New York
From L'Excelsior, 20 April 1912
Toronto Daily Star Unidentified Newspaper (20 April 1912) Astor's Old Butler a Hero
North American (20 April 1912) BARBER THROWN FROM TITANIC AS IT SANK
Worcester Telegram (20 April 1912) Futrelle Met Death Like Hero Says Wife
New York Times (20 April 1912) MRS. ASTOR IS ILL, BUT NOT CRITICALLY
No alarm felt by relatives and friends
Worcester Evening Gazette (20 April 1912) Still Playing As Water Creeps Up
L'Excelsior (20 April 1912) The Astors
New York Times (20 April 1912) WOMEN REVEALED AS HEROINES BY WRECK (3)
Washington Herald (21 April 1912) DESCRIBES LAST MEAL ON TITANIC
“It Was the Gayest Night of Trip Among Diners,” Says Assistant Steward
New York Evening Journal (21 April 1912) MRS. ASTOR ABLE TO GREET FAMILY
The New York Times (21 April 1912) MRS. ASTOR IN NO DANGER
New York Times (22 April 1912) ASTOR SAVED US, SAY WOMEN
New York Times (22 April 1912) MRS. ASTOR IS ABLE TO TELL OF RESCUE
Thinks She Got Into Last Boat as She Left Husband on Deck
Atlantic City Daily Press (23 April 1912) AN ATLANTIC MAN FINDS EVIDENCE FAVORING ISMAY
New York Times (25 April 1912) TRIBUTE TO J. C. SMITH
Cook County Herald (26 April 1912) CALLS MRS. ASTOR HEROINE
Standard Union (4 May 1912) COL. ASTOR BURIED IN GRAVE BESIDE MOTHER
New York Times (4 May 1912) COL. ASTOR'S FUNERAL
New York Times (1 June 1912) CAPT. ROSTRON GUEST OF MRS. J. J. ASTOR
New York Times (2 June 1912) CAPT. ROSTRON GUEST OF MRS. J. B. THAYER
The Times (27 July 1912) COLONEL ASTOR'S WILL
(29 July 1912) WILL APPEAL TO MRS. ASTOR
The Day, New London, Connecticut, USA (3 August 1912) NOT SATISFIED TO BE AMONG THE LIVING
New-York Tribune (3 August 1912) TITANIC PASSENGER SUES
New York Times (15 August 1912) SON FOR MRS. ASTOR; NAMED FOR FATHER
New York Times (18 August 1912) ASTOR WILL CONTEST NOT CONTEMPLATED
The Washington Herald (30 November 1912) Third Widow, Due to Titanic Wreck, Becomes a Mother
Chicago Examiner (1 December 1912) Second Titanic Baby Born
New York Times (5 December 1912) COL. GRACIE DIES, HAUNTED BY TITANIC
The Washington Times (7 December 1912) COL. GRACIE IS BURIED IN GARB WORN ON TITANIC
New York Times (29 April 1914) ASTOR BEQUESTS HAVE ALL BEEN PAID
New York Times (18 June 1916) MRS. JOHN J. ASTOR TO MARRY W. K. DICK
New York Times (23 June 1916) MRS. J. J. ASTOR IS WED TO WM. K. DICK
New York Times (1 August 1922) ASTOR SALE LIKELY TO HELP MRS. DICK
New York Times (5 December 1922) MISS KATHERINE FORCE TO WED MAJOR SPENCER
New York Times (5 June 1933) MRS. DICK GOES TO RENO
New York Times (10 June 1933) MRS. W. K. DICK IN RENO
New York Times (17 June 1933) LINKS MRS. DICK AND BOXER
New York Times (18 June 1933) BOXER DENIES HE'LL WED
Daily News Sun (18 June 1933) Mrs Dick to wed boxer
New York Daily News (21 July 1933) Titanic widow who'll be Reno widow by decree today
New York Times (22 July 1933) MRS. DICK GETS DIVORCE
New York Times (15 August 1933) John Jacob Astor 3d, 21, Comes Info Vast Fortune
New York Times (5 September 1933) FIERMONTE GETS DIVORCE
New York Times (14 September 1933) MRS. DICK IS INJURED
New York Times (14 October 1933) BARRED FROM BERMUDA
New York Times (17 October 1933) BOXER SAYS MRS. DICK WILL WED HIM SOON
New York Times (4 November 1933) MRS. DICK RETURNS; CARRIED TO HOSPITAL
New York Times (15 November 1933) FIERMONTE, BOXER, HERE
New York Times (28 November 1933) Mrs. Dick Married to Fiermonte, Boxer, In Civil Ceremony in Hospital Room Here
New York Times (16 December 1933) JOHN JACOB ASTOR TO WED DEBUTANTE
New York Times (3 January 1934) EILEEN S. S. GILLESPIE TO BE WED ON FEB. 6
New York Times (22 January 1934) EILEEN GILLESPIE NOT TO WED ASTOR
New York Times (21 March 1934) EX-WIFE GIVES UP CLAIM ON W. K. DICK
New York Times (31 May 1934) ELLEN TUCK FRENCH IS ENGAGED TO WED
New York Times (16 June 1934) WEDDING PLANNED BY ELLEN FRENCH
New York Times (22 June 1934) FIERMONTE OUT 'FOREVER'
Akron Beacon Journal (26 June 1934) Enzo and Mrs. Fiermonte
New York Times (27 June 1934) RECTORS FOR ASTOR RITES
New York Times (29 June 1934) YOUNG ASTOR TELLS OF WEDDING PLANS
New York Times (30 June 1934) MOTHER OF ASTOR TO ATTEND BRIDAL
New York Times (1 July 1934) JOHN JACOB ASTOR WEDS ELLEN FRENCH
New York Times (9 August 1934) Mrs. Fiermonte Closes Home
New York Times (10 August 1934) Fiermonte Threatens Divorce
New York Times (5 September 1934) Feldman Signs for Bout
New York Times (24 November 1934) SOCIAL REGISTER DROPS STAGE FOLKS
New York Times (29 January 1935) FIERMONTES SAIL ON THE SAME SHIP
New York Times (31 January 1935) MARITAL RIFT OVER, FIERMONTE RADIOS
New York Times (8 February 1935) FIERMONTE HALTED BY GENOA OFFICIALS
New York Times (9 February 1935) FIERMONTE INDICATES HE WILL GO TO WIFE
New York Times (10 February 1935) FIERMONTE VISITS HIS WIFE IN NAPLES
New York Times (12 February 1935) FIERMONTES FACE CHARGE OF BIGAMY
New York Times (22 February 1935) Wife Would Aid Fiermonte
New York Times (23 February 1935) FIERMONTES VISIT TIVOLI
New York Times (25 February 1935) 2 MRS. FIERMONTES HAVE A TALK AT TEA
New York Times (7 March 1935) FIERMONTE TO BE BROKER
New York Times (8 March 1935) Italy Allows Fiermonte To Go on Wedding Trip
New York Times (20 July 1935) MRS. JOHN J. ASTOR 3D GIVES BIRTH TO SON
New York Times (2 August 1935) FIERMONTE AND WIFE BACK
The Gaffney Ledger (10 August 1935) Madeleine Astor and her husband Enzo Fiermonte at Bailey's Beach
New York Times (14 August 1935) ASTOR HOME SCENE OF NEWPORT PARTY
New York Times (1 December 1935) FIERMONTE BUYS ESTATE
New York Times (15 January 1936) ASTOR INFANT CHRISTENED
New York Times (3 July 1937) Fiermonte Held on Old Charge
New York Times (7 July 1937) FIERMONTE JAILED IN OLD SPEED CASE
New York Times (8 July 1937) FIERMONTE ASSIGNED TO CLEANING OF JAIL
New York Times (9 July 1937) SUMMONS FOR FIERMONTE
New York Times (16 July 1937) FIERMONTE APOLOGIZES
New York Times (22 July 1937) Fiermonte Case Dismissed
New York Times (11 August 1937) Settles Suit Against Fiermonte
New York Times (3 May 1938) MRS. FIERMONTE SUES
New York Times (12 June 1938) DIVORCE GRANTED FORMER MRS. ASTOR
New York Times (30 July 1939) FIERMONTE CONVICTED IN FRENCH AUTO CRASH
New York Times (5 December 1939) MRS. MADELEINE DICK LOSES HOME BY FIRE
New York Times (29 March 1940) MRS. FIERMONTE DEAD IN FLORIDA
New York Times (2 April 1940) 1,500 ARE AT FUNERAL FOR MRS. FIERMONTE
New York Times (10 April 1940) MRS. DICK'S ESTATE LEFT TO 2 OF SONS
New York Times (29 May 1940) MRS. FIERMONTE RITES
New York Times (17 December 1940) ACCEPT OFFER BY DICK
New York Times (3 May 1941) MRS. FIERMONTE'S ESTATE
New York Times (19 December 1941) Virginia M. French Has Twelve Attendants At Her Marriage Here to William F. Dick
New York Times (25 December 1941) WM. K. DICK MARRIES MRS. VIRGINIA CONNER
Hudson Dispatch (18 November 1943) Hero of Titanic Lifeboat '13,' Which Rescued Mrs. Astor, Dies
Jersey Observer (18 November 1943) Robert Hopkins, Hero of Titanic, Dies in Hoboken
New York Times (19 November 1943) ROBERT J. HOPKINS
New York Times (19 August 1944) J. J. ASTOR MARRIES GERTRUDE GRETSCH
New York Times (18 July 1948) Astor Villa Auctioned at Newport; Chain Drug Store Owner Is Buyer
New York Times (6 September 1953) WILLIAM DICK DIES; AN INDUSTRIALIST
New York Times (27 June 1992) John J. Astor 5th, 79; Son of Builder of Hotel

Images

John Astor, the baby Madeleine was pregnant with on Titanic.
John Astor, the baby Madeleine was pregnant with on Titanic.
John Astor, the baby Madeleine was pregnant with on Titanic.
Madeleine Astor
Madeleine Astor c.1920s
Madeleine Astor with stepson Vincent
Madeleine Force Astor riding in Central Park, New York City
Mrs. Astor on her morning trot through Central Park
Mrs. Astor riding in Central Park
Mrs. Astor's life vest
Mrs. Astor's Residence, Newport, R. I.
News photo of Madeleine Force Astor walking on Fifth Avenue, taken shortly after her marriage
Portrait of Madeleine Force Astor in mourning
The Unmarked Crypt
Madeleine Astor's Final Resting Place
(1911) John Jacob and Madeleine Astor on their honeymoon
Philadelphia Inquirer (1912) Madeleine Astor in 1911
Chicago Tribune (1926) Madeleine Astor and son John in 1926
New York Daily News (1929) Mrs. William K.Dick (Madeleine Astor) 1929
Star Gazette (1940) Mrs Fiermonte (Madeleine Astor) in 1940

Documents and Certificates

(1940) Madeleine Talmage Dick (Death Certificate)
(1992) John Jacob Astor V (Death Certificate)
Son of John Jacob and Madeleine Astor

Miscellaneous

The Washington Times Astor Widows, Now Said To Be on Edge of Social Duel
(1912) Madeleine Astor and her baby son
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Comment and discuss

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Madeleine Astor (65 posts)
The Astor Family (53 posts)
Brooke (Mrs. Vincent) Astor (43 posts)
Madeleine Astor's 2nd husband William K Dick and family (27 posts)
Record age difference (26 posts)
The "Astor baby" John Jacob Astor VI (26 posts)
The romance of Madeleine Force and JohnJacob Astor (25 posts)
Astor on ebay (23 posts)
LIVING descendants of JJ & M Astor (22 posts)
Which Astor is this chap (15 posts)
John Jacob Astor (15 posts)
Greedy Astor (15 posts)
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Astors' Beechwood Home (15 posts)
Astor Photos (13 posts)
Mrs Astor's SC Home (13 posts)
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Astor Honeymoon (10 posts)
How rich was John Jacob Astor (9 posts)
Caroline Endres Nurse to Mrs Astor (9 posts)
Madeline Astor's Necklace (8 posts)
Madeleine Astor's account of Titanic sinking (8 posts)
Vanderbilt vs Astor (7 posts)
Astors boarding Titanic (7 posts)
A part of Titanic history escapes a trashy end (7 posts)
Madeleine and Brooke Astor (6 posts)
Waldorf and Nancy Astor (6 posts)
Madeleine and Her Clothes (6 posts)
Hotel St Regis and Beechwood (5 posts)
John Jacob Astor's House (4 posts)
John Jacob Astor Grave (4 posts)
Victor Robbins (4 posts)
Gifts to crew from Mrs Astor (4 posts)
John Jacob Astor and Waldorf Astor MP Passengers on the Titanic and Olympic (3 posts)
Another astor question (2 posts)
The Astor's Cabin (2 posts)
Accident Investigation in the Wreck of Zingara (2 posts)
John Jacob Astor and his wife (2 posts)
The Force Sisters' Tennis Records (2 posts)
Ava Willing Astor (1 post)
Friends of The Astors (1 post)
Colonel and Mrs Astor headlines (1 post)
Madeleine Astor's husband Enzo Fiermonte (1 post)

Credits

Hermann Söldner, Germany
George Behe, USA
Peter Engberg-Klarström, Sweden
Phillip Gowan, USA

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