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Marie Grice Young

Marie Grice Young
Marie Grice Young

Miss Marie Grice Young was born in Washington DC on 5 January 1876.

She was the daughter of Samuel Grice Young, a US customs clerk (b. 1845), and Margaret Brown Wilson (b. 1848), both natives of Washington who were married on 16 January 1873. She had an elder brother, Wilson (b. 25 April 1874). The family were politically well-connected as her paternal aunt Mary Grice Young was the wife of Alexander Robey Shepherd, a former governor of the District of Columbia. 

The 1880 census shows the Young family, who were Roman Catholics, as residents of 266 Columbia Heights in Brooklyn, New York. Marie was educated in convent schools and completed instructions in music studies.

Marie’s father Samuel worked in the Treasury Department as a young man before moving to Mexico where he had interests in mining and where he made his fortune. He was a gifted songwriter and baritone vocalist and became prominent in Washington musical circles, often showcasing his talent in solo or group performances in his local community where he was also part of a choral society. That life came to an abrupt end around 1891 when he fell from a streetcar in Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington and sustained head injuries. Those injuries apparently affected his mental health and he was committed to an insane asylum for a short while but later discharged. Soon after his discharge he sank into a depressed and morbid state and started drinking heavily, his behaviour becoming objectionable, in contrast to his former upstanding character. On 8 December 1898 he attempted suicide at his home—1907 N Street northwest—by ingesting laudanum. Although his attempt failed and he survived, his mental health was again called into question and he was declared insane and again committed to the asylum:

Verdict of Jury in Case of Samuel G. Young.
Samuel G. Young, who attempted suicide last Thursday evening, was today declared to be insane by a jury sitting at the city hall. Melancholia, with suicidal tendency, was decided on as the specific complaint with which Mr. Young is suffering. He did not appear before the jury, being unable to leave the Emergency Hospital, owing to a cold and a temporary physical disability resulting from the recent attempt to end his life. The witnesses who appeared today were Dr. Henry D. Fry, Dr. J. S. McLain and William P. Young, the latter a brother of the man whose sanity was in question. It was testified, in substance, that Mr. Young’s mental condition is bad. that it is growing worse and that it would be necessary, for proper treatment, to commit him to an asylum. He will be taken to St. Elizabeth’s as soon as his physical condition warrants his removal from the Emergency Hospital. - The Evening Star, 13 December 1898

During his latest institutionalization, Young became a clerk to the institution itself and may have appeared to have been improving, with local media stating that he was again acting as a choirmaster. During a short leave of absence he travelled to Baltimore and signed in as a guest at the Hotel Rennert in that city where, on 19 December 1901, he was found unconscious by hotel staff. He had made a second attempt at suicide, again by drinking laudanum, but this time he was unable to be resuscitated. He was buried in Rock Creek Cemetery in Washington. 

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When Marie appeared on the 1910 census she was a lodger at 3023 Q Street in Washington and was described as an unmarried music teacher. Having inherited her father’s musical talent, Marie was a gifted pianist and taught young and old alike, counting the children of President Theodore Roosevelt among her pupils.  

One day, I received a call from Mrs. Roosevelt asking if I would give daily lessons on the piano to her sons, Archie, then 7, and Quentin, 10. I agreed and they came to my home for their lessons for more than two years. Their sister, Ethel, was also one of my pupils. - The Evening Recorder, 12 February 1955

Miss Young recalled how President Roosevelt, like any dutiful father, attended one of the recitals she gave for her classes and how he listened with parental pride as young Archie Roosevelt pounded out "Over the Waves", whilst Ethel read from her music "because she never could memorise.”

Marie remained devoted to her mother Maggie, with whom she lived, and the pair often holidayed together. Maggie died following a long illness on 21 February 1910 and was buried in Washington’s Oak Hill Cemetery. Whilst recuperating in Atlantic City from the loss of her mother, Marie came into the acquaintance of Ella Holmes White, a meeting which she later said that she was sure her guardian angel had arranged.

By 1912 Marie Young had become a long-term companion to Ella Holmes White. Mrs White, a wealthy widow, had a brief and childless marriage and divided her time between her apartment in Briarcliff Manor, New York and at a sumptuous apartment at Waldorf Astoria Hotel in Manhattan. Marie spent much of her time at both and, essentially, the two women lived together as well as travelling with each other; the pair often hosted joint parties. It has been speculated that the two women were lovers although there is also the suggestion that they were just very close friends or that Mrs White was a surrogate mother. Whatever the nature of their relationship, it is clear that the two women became devoted to one another.

Following an extended winter vacation in Rome, Miss Young and Mrs White decided to travel back to New York in April 1912:


She and Miss Marie Young Will Be Passengers on Board the Titanic.


PARIS, Friday.

Mrs. J. Stuart White and Miss Marie Young, who have been spending the winter in Rome, are returning to America on board the Titanic on April 10 and will go directly to Briarcliff Lodge.

New York Herald, 5 April 1912

The pair boarded the Titanic at Cherbourg as first-class passengers (joint ticket number 17760 which cost £135, 12s, 8d), joined by Mrs White’s maid Nellie Bessette and manservant Sante Righini. Whilst in Europe Miss Young and Mrs White had purchased some expensive live poultry and brought the chickens aboard the ship which were stowed with the cargo. Each day Miss Young, accompanied by ship’s carpenter John Hall Hutchinson, went below decks to check on her purchases and as a reward for his service Miss Young tipped Hutchinson with some gold coins to which he exclaimed ''It's such good luck to receive gold on a first voyage''. Also aboard Miss Young was delighted to be joined by some of her acquaintances from Washington however she was compelled to write to President Taft contradicting reports that she knew or conversed with  Major Archibald Butt on the Titanic.

  • Briarcliff Lodge,
    Briarcliff Manor,
    New York.

May 10, 1912

President William H. Taft

Dear Mr President:
I have read an account of the Memorial Service held in Washington recently in honor of Major Archibald Butt, at which service the Secretary of War alluded to a farewell conversation supposed to have taken place between Major Butt and myself. Had such a conversation taken place I should not have delayed one hour in giving you every detail of the last hours of your special Aide & friend.

Although a Washingtonian I did not know Major Butt, having been in deep mourning for several years. The alleged "interview" is entirely an invention, by some officious reporter; who thereby brought much distress to many of Major Butt's near relatives and friends... for when they wrote me of what a comfort the story was to them, I had to tell them it was untrue, as no such deception could be carried through.

They wrote me that through Mrs Sloan's kindness, they obtained my address... and I immediately wrote Mrs Sloan that there was no truth in this newspaper story.

When I last saw Major Butt, he was walking on deck, with Mr Clarence Moore, on Sunday afternoon.

With deep regret that I could not be his messenger to you,
Believe me,
Very sincerely yours
(Miss) Marie G. Young

Mrs White recalled that after the collision she, Miss Young and her servants went up to A deck of their own volition, waiting inside the lobby to hear of any news. Captain Smith came sweeping down the staircase, ordering the passengers gathered to fetch their lifebelts, which they did, before ascending to the boat deck. Miss Young, Mrs White and her maid Nellie Bessette departed in lifeboat 8, fairly early in the proceedings, although Miss Young stated she was in the last lifeboat to a hungry media. Telling of her experiences shortly after:

"The last person to whom I spoke on board the Titanic was 'Archie’ Butt and his good, brave face smiling at me from the deck of the steamer was the last I could distinguish as the boat I was in pulled away from the steamer's side.

"When he had carefully wrapped me up he stepped upon the gunwale of the boat and, lifting his hat, smiled down at me." 'Good bye, Miss Young,' he said, bravely and smilingly. 'Luck is with you. will you kindly remember me to all the folks back home?'

"Then he stepped to the deck of the steamer and the boat I was in was lowered to the water. It was the last boat to leave the ship; of this I am perfectly certain. And I know that Iwas the last of those who were saved to whom 'Archie" Butt spoke.

"As our boat was lowered and left the side of the steamer, 'Archie’ still was standing at the rail, looking down at me. His hat was raised and the same old, genial, brave smile was on his face. The picture he made as he stood there, hat in hand, brave and smiling was one that will always linger in my memory."

The Buffalo Courier, 20 April 1912

Seemingly situated at the stern of the lifeboat, close to the Countess of Rothes who was at the tiller, they sat close to Mrs Margaret Swift, Mrs Marion Kenyon and Dr Alice Leader. Reportedly with only a coat on over her nightclothes, Miss Young suffered from the cold and years later would comment ruefully:

"You might add," she continued with a chuckle, "that my only costume from Sunday night when the Titanic went down until Wednesday when we arrived in New York was a flimsy negligee." - Evening Recorder, 12 February 1955

After their arrival in New York aboard Carpathia, Miss Young left for Mrs White’s home at Briarcliff to recuperate. She later wrote at account of her experiences that was printed in the National Magazine. 

Left to right Marie Young, Ella White and Ella's niece Mrs Harry S. Durand
© Michael A. Findlay / Harry Durand Jr., USA

Marie Young and Ella White remained extremely close, living together for many years at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel until 1929 when that building was raised to make way for the Empire State Building. They then moved into an equally luxurious apartment at the Plaza Hotel and where they appeared on the 1940 census. They continued to travel together, both in the USA and further afield, their international destinations including Switzerland, Netherlands, Britain, Italy and France. Marie’s 1922 passport describes her as standing at 5’ 6” and having brown eyes, grey hair, a round face with a large mouth, high forehead and a retroussé (upturned) nose.

Marie Grive Young

Marie Grice Young's Signature
Marie Grice Young in her 1922 Passport Photograph and her signature

When Ella White died in 1942, Marie was left her personal possessions and an annuity. Marie remained in an apartment in Manhattan for a few years until the mid-1950s when she moved into the Mount Loretto Convalescent and Rest Home in Amsterdam, New York to be closer to her only surviving family, the descendants of her brother Wilson. Whilst there she spent her time reading, going on drives and playing the piano, although that latter pursuit was curtailed on account of worsening arthritis in her hands and fingers. 

Giving the occasional newspaper interview in her final years, Marie remained at the same convalescent home for the rest of her life and from where she continued to enjoy both her pursuits and a relative measure of good health.

Marie Grice Young died aged 83 on 27 July 1959 and was later buried in the Gate of Heaven Cemetery in Westchester, New York. She was survived by a great niece.

Titanic Passenger Summary

Name: Miss Marie Grice Young
Age: 36 years 3 months and 10 days (Female)
Nationality: American
Religion: Roman Catholic
Embarked: Cherbourg on Wednesday 10th April 1912
Ticket No. 17760, £135 12s 8d
Cabin No. C32
Rescued (boat 8)  
Disembarked Carpathia: New York City on Thursday 18th April 1912
Died: Monday 27th July 1959 aged 83 years
Buried: Gate of Heaven Cemetery, Hawthorne, New York, United States

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References and Sources

The Sunday Star, 9 December 1906, [Piano tutoring]
National Magazine, October 1912, [Narrative]
Contract Ticket List, White Star Line 1912 (National Archives, New York; NRAN-21-SDNYCIVCAS-55[279])
The Evening Times, 9 December 1898, Condition of Samuel G. Young
The Evening Star, 9 December 1898, Swallows Laudanum
The Evening Star, 10 December 1898, Samuel G. Young’s Sanity
The Evening Star, 13 December 1898, Declared to be insane
The Evening Star, 20 December 1901, Suicide of Samuel G. Young
The Evening Star, 22 February 1910, [death notice of Margaret Wilson Young]
The Buffalo Courier, 20 April 1912
Evening Recorder, 12 February 1955, Survivor of Titanic
Times Record, 28 July 1959, Titanic Survivors Dies in rest home near Amsterdam
Albany Times Union, 29 July 1959, Woman, 83, Survivor of Sinking, Dies
New York Times, 29 July 1959, page 29, column 3, [Obituary]

Newspaper Articles

Washington Post (21 May 1905) Musical Notes
New York Times (21 April 1907) PRESIDENT'S SON STAR AT RECITAL
Marie G. Young National Magazine (1912) Lest We Forget
A survivors's account of the Titanic Disaster
Marie Young Washington Herald (20 April 1912) ARCHIE PUT ME IN A LIFEBOAT
Cleveland Plain Dealer (20 April 1912) Butt A Courtier to Death, Says Woman
Washington Post (17 August 1916) Society: Miss Marie Grice Young
New York Times (6 February 1942) Wills for Probate (1)
Evening Recorder (28 July 1959) Survivor of Titanic Disaster Expires at 83 in Mt. Loretto
New York Times (29 July 1959) MISS MARIE YOUNG DIES


Marie Grice Young in 1922
New York Herald (1912) Marie Grice Young (Possibly) in the 1890s
Evening Recorder (1955) Marie Grice Young in 1955


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  1. Laurie Platt

    Laurie Platt said:

    Does anyone where Marie Grice Young is buried, she died July 27, 1959 in Amsterdam, NY

  2. Brian Meister

    Brian Meister said:

    Dear Laurie, Marie Young is buried in Gate of Heaven Cemetery in Pleasantville, Westchester Co., New York. Hope this helps. Brian

  3. Shelley Dziedzic

    Shelley Dziedzic said:

    Laurie- just a tip- Marie has no stone, but three other survivors buried there do- Helen Sweeney(1980), Patrick O'Keefe (1939), and Hannah Spollen (1982). You can visit the spot where Marie is interred-. The cemetery is actually right on the Pleasantville /Hawthorne line but is actually in Hawthorne if you ask at the gas station. I have sent all my photos to the TIS archive but the plot number for Marie(ask at the cemetery office) is in Section 41, Block 3, plot 176, grave #1-and don't go in the winter if there's snow on the ground- you can spend a lot of time searching!

  4. Dr. Douglas B. Willingham

    Dr. Douglas B. Willingham said:

    Dear Laurie, Brian and Shelley, It is sad, isn't it?, that a lovely, refined and cultured lady--the music teacher of the Roosevelt children, among other things--would lie in an unmarked grave! I became very impressed with Marie Young when she showed such honesty and kindness in making known the fact that contrary to newspaper accounts, she did not witness particular heroics on Major Butt's part, though she told President Taft, in a manner of speaking, that she would certainly be anxious to tell him if she had. Best regards, Doug

  5. Jeffrey M. Kern

    Jeffrey M. Kern said:

    I can find enough information regarding Miss Young concerning her doings aboard the Titanic, particularly through her document "Lest We Forget," which I thought she wrote very well. But what of her upbringing and her family? What were the names of her parents? And did she have any siblings? I also have a question concerning her life after the sinking. I knew she lived with her friend, Ella Holmes White, at Briarcliff Lodge in New York; I also know that Ella White lived her latter days at the Manhattan Hotel Plaza. What about Miss Young? I know she ended up in a resting home in Amsterdam, NY,... Read full post

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