Michael H. Standart
Member
My understanding was that the pursers safe was cleaned out befor the ship went down. Most of the jewelry would have been that owned by the passangers and I suspect would have been on their persons. Conterary to some modern day mythmaking, the Titanic was no treasure ship.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Bill DeSena
Guest
Perusal of EBAY produced am auction of a ring that is a fair copy of one recovered from the wreck during salvage (grave robbing) operations.
Michael, I've been keeping an eye on what is offereed for sale on EBAY and see that there are some pricely Olympic artifacts for sale now too.
Regards
Bill
Michael, I've been keeping an eye on what is offereed for sale on EBAY and see that there are some pricely Olympic artifacts for sale now too.
Regards
Bill
Dave Gittins
Member
There is a lot of Olympic material around and I would not pay much for it. All the glasses, plates and so on were made by the thousand for White Star and were not peculiar to particular ships. I've seen dozens of wine glasses from Olympic on sale at an exhibition for aorund $100 US each. Caveat emptor!
William Conrad
Guest
The thing that worries me about all this is if their authentic or not! I mean, there's so much interest in the Titanic subject recently, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a factory somewhere belting out $5 at time, 'authentic' Olympic plates for sale to the public at $100 a time! Don't get me wrong, I'm a dedicated Titanic fan. But I feel that the whole subject has become far too commercialised recently! There's just too many people trying to cash in and make a quick profit for my liking...
Not only that, but Titanic Inc make me nervous with their greed. I hear they're selling Titanic coal too! Moral questions aside, how do we know that their coal is really Titanic coal? Can't you just imagine Titanic Inc going down to their local colliery and buying up chunks of coal at $0.50 a time to sell on at $20. When their real supplies run dry, I doubt that anyone at Titanic Inc would object! After all, money and profit is the name of the game, right! Just a cynical thought...
Leave the Titanic alone! There's too much greed and money involved...
Not only that, but Titanic Inc make me nervous with their greed. I hear they're selling Titanic coal too! Moral questions aside, how do we know that their coal is really Titanic coal? Can't you just imagine Titanic Inc going down to their local colliery and buying up chunks of coal at $0.50 a time to sell on at $20. When their real supplies run dry, I doubt that anyone at Titanic Inc would object! After all, money and profit is the name of the game, right! Just a cynical thought...
Leave the Titanic alone! There's too much greed and money involved...
Bill DeSena
Guest
Speaking of greed. This item has apparently sold for a high price : cgi ebay com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=401765039
I alerted EBAY and RMS Titanic about the probability of it being stolen and at the very least a violation of the recent Federal Court order not to sell any relics
Regards
Bill
I alerted EBAY and RMS Titanic about the probability of it being stolen and at the very least a violation of the recent Federal Court order not to sell any relics
Regards
Bill
Traci Miller
Guest
There are all kinds of bogus items up for sale. The interest in the movie has just increased the demand.
Unfortunately, a lot of people are unaware and taken in by unscrupulous vendors selling items that couldn't possibly be from Titanic. I saw an "original crystal decanter" that was purported to come from the Titanic on ebay about a week ago. The bid on it was up over $100. Some poor sap will put in a lot of money for a fake item.
Unfortunately, a lot of people are unaware and taken in by unscrupulous vendors selling items that couldn't possibly be from Titanic. I saw an "original crystal decanter" that was purported to come from the Titanic on ebay about a week ago. The bid on it was up over $100. Some poor sap will put in a lot of money for a fake item.
Michael H. Standart
Member
Bill, Dave, others, sorry I've been away for a couple of days, but the phone lines here got mucked up. No phones=no internet access around here where I live. Re Titanic/Olympic items for sale, eBay, as Bill has learned, are apparently indifferent to the fact that they are selling either a fake(Making them accomplices to fraud) or a stolen item if the steel sample is for real(Making them high profile fences) I sincerly hope they answer for it, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen. Dave is right about Caveat Emptor as there is a lot of hucksterism out there. In my first issue of the Titanic Commutator which I received for the spring of this year, there was an artical dealing with obvious commemorative copies of the menu from the First Class restaurant which were being sold as the real thing.
Personally, I'll keep my purchases to books on our favorite subject...as well as hard copies of the inquiry transcripts when I can get them. The hucksters will just have to swindle somebody else.
Strong words, I know, but after 20 years in the Navy, I have no love for theives.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Personally, I'll keep my purchases to books on our favorite subject...as well as hard copies of the inquiry transcripts when I can get them. The hucksters will just have to swindle somebody else.
Strong words, I know, but after 20 years in the Navy, I have no love for theives.
Cordially,
Michael H. Standart
Joshua Doyle Tift
Guest
How can anyone say that Titanic was no treasure ship. Look at the claims and that will tell you that Titanic was anything but no treasure ship.
Michael H. Standart
Member
>>Look at the claims and that will tell you that Titanic was anything but no treasure ship.<<
Claims are just that...claims. And just because somebody files such a claim doesn't mean that all of them are true. (I mean really, it's not as if insurance fraud is a 21st Century invention.)
Claims are just that...claims. And just because somebody files such a claim doesn't mean that all of them are true. (I mean really, it's not as if insurance fraud is a 21st Century invention.)
Dave Gittins
Member
A funny thing happened after Empress of Ireland went down. Huge claims for lost valuables, supposedly locked in the purser's safe, were made. The claimants probably thought the safe could not be recovered.
However, diving was more advanced than they thought. The safe was recovered and was opened in the presence of many witnesses. The value of the cash and other property found was less than .5% of what was being claimed! A good deal of it belonged to the ship's owners.
Some think that this little comedy may have helped the huge reduction in claims made in the USA Titanic case. These peaked at about $18,000,000 and fell to about $2,500,000. Quite a bit of this amount was for loss of life, so the claims for material loss cannot have been great.
However, diving was more advanced than they thought. The safe was recovered and was opened in the presence of many witnesses. The value of the cash and other property found was less than .5% of what was being claimed! A good deal of it belonged to the ship's owners.
Some think that this little comedy may have helped the huge reduction in claims made in the USA Titanic case. These peaked at about $18,000,000 and fell to about $2,500,000. Quite a bit of this amount was for loss of life, so the claims for material loss cannot have been great.
Joshua Doyle Tift
Guest
Dave the Empress of Ireland sank after the Titanic so the Empress of Ireland would not have had anything to do with the Titanic case. Besides people may have sued for life when they were really suing for lost property. Why because the survivers could have covered up the fact that they were suing for property and life but sued under life so not every one would know what they had in case the ship was found later on and treasure hunters would have known what they sued for. If the treasure hunters new what people really had than they would have known what to look for and where to look for it.
Joshua Doyle Tift
Guest
Mr. Standart People cant file a claim and win in court if they cant prove what they had. They either had insurance or records to prove they had something of great value. Besides why lie about it. Those people did not know if the ship would be found quickly or not and if found they did not know if it could be raised. So if they did lie about there claim they took a big chance of the ship being found and there lie being found out. So I don't think they would take that chance of a scandal on such a huge tragedy.So therefor the claims have to be true.Pluse insurance companies may have looked into the claims too. So there again the people were taking a big risk of being caught with fraud.
