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Clementina Georgina Lucy Drummond Dyer Edwardes

Mrs Clementina Georgina Lucy Drummond Dyer Edwardes (née Villiers) was born in Bath in 1859, the daughter of Lt Colonel James Villiers and Lucy Drummond.

On 10 January 1878 she was married to Thomas Dyer Edwardes.  Their only child, Lucy Noël Martha, was born in December of the same year.

Thomas and Clementina boarded the Titanic at Southampton with their daughter Noël, the Countess of Rothes. The Dyer-Edwardes disembarked at Cherbourg, while Lucy continued to New York.

Clementina was widowed in 1926; when she died on 3 April 1947 her estate, valued at £10,896 7s 4d was left to her daughter Noël. SHe was buried in the garden a few yards from her husband in Prinknash Abbey, Cranham, Gloucester.

References and Sources

Gloucestershire Echo, 30 August 1947, Painswick Will
Western Daily Press, 1 September 1947, West Wills
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  1. Jeffrey M. Kern

    I discovered a website containing information regarding the Countess of Rothes' parents, Thomas Dyer-Edwardes, Jr., and Clementina Georgina Lucy Drummond Villiers. The information is accurate, but I question one part of it. It states that Thomas and Clementina Dyer-Edwardes were cross-channel passengers, purchasing ticket No. 87 for £3 (On this website, the holders of cross-channel ticket No. 87 were a Mr. and Mrs. Ewards). They were going to their chateau of Caudebec-en-Caux, Normandy, and were accompanying their daughter, Noël, who traveled with her husband's cousin, Gladys Cherry, and maid, Roberta Maioni. I appreciate anyone who can affirm or correct this piece of information. The website from which I extracted this information is found at
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  2. Eric S. Silvia

    Hi Jeff, The link you supplied does not work, could you double check the address. -Eric-
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  3. Jeffrey M. Kern

    Sorry, Eric. I checked it myself, but it did not go through. Just try going through , and look up "Noel Dyer-Edwardes," and you should find the website address within the first five websites listed.
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  4. Lester Mitcham

    Hi Jeffrey, Very interesting item. Given the large number of name errors I do not find it at all surprising that the names of Mr and Mrs Thomas Dyer-Edwardess were mis-recorded as Mr Mrs T.D. Ewards. - The Countess' maid was recorded as Miss R. Mairore.
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  5. Dave Gittins

    I didn't find the site mentioned but I found this very informative site, complete with a splendid painting of the Countess. It's easily the best picture of her that I've seen.
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  6. Lester Mitcham

    Hi Dave, It comes up as the 3rd item on under "Noel Dyer-Edwardes," on Titanic People. File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML ... Middlesex, on February 21 st 1847, the only son of Thomas Dyer Edwardes, and his wife ... The couple had one daughter, Lucy-Noel Martha, born on Christmas Day 1878. ... If you cannot get it to open e-mail me and I will try and post you the link. Regards, Lester
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  7. Tony Sheils

    I was unaware until this posting of the Titanic connection with Prinknash Abbey at Cranham in Gloucestershire. Prinknash was donated by the Dyer Edwards family in 1928 to monks. The well-known monastery was created in lovely grounds. Further information is available on the website , particularly its history. Tony
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  8. Craig Stringer

    Dear Jeffrey, I think I can help, since I wrote the article you found. Thomas and Clementina did indeed travel to Cherbourg on the Titanic. Their crossing was mentioned in several British newspapers at the time. The website you found is an advertisement for a project of mine that came out in April. I was invited to write a set of biographies about the people who sailed on the Titanic. This has been produced on a CD Rom, which is available from the site you found. In addition to Thomas and Clementina, there are biographies on a number of cross-channel passengers, including the Lenox-Conynghams, Noels, Odells and Mrs Nichols. Regards Craig
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  9. Randy Bryan Bigham

    Hi Craig, Congratulations on your project. Thanks too for sharing your research, particularly the ADB article on the Dyer-Edwardes which was a revelation to almost everyone. Best to you, Randy
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  10. Jeffrey M. Kern

    Craig, Thank you for your response. I enjoyed the information presented on your website about the Dyer-Edwardes. Jeff K.
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  11. Renae Barrett Salisbury

    Renae Barrett Salisbury

    One of my students wants to know how many people boarded at Cherbourg and how many boarded at Queenstown.
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  12. Lester Mitcham

    Hi Renae, Sorry but to the best of my understanding there is no definite answer. Most sources disagree as to which First Class passengers boarded at Southampton and which at Cherbourg. Starting with what is not is dispute: 3 First Class; 7 Second Class and 113 Third Class passengers boarded at Queenstown. 102 Third Class passengers boarded at Cherbourg; with 27 Second Class; one of whom upgraded to First Class. I am not even going to try and give you a First Class number. What figures does your student have for Southampton?
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  13. Renae Barrett Salisbury

    Renae Barrett Salisbury

    Thank you for your help! My student is still compiling his Southhampton figures. I'll let you know what he comes up with. He was impressed to receive such a quick response from ET message board. We both appreciate your input. R.
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  14. Lester Mitcham

    Hi Renae, I look forward to seeing the result. What records/documents/informations is your student using to compile the Southampton figure?
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  15. Vitezslav Ivicic

    In one topic,* I have read that Countess' parents were going on the Titanic to their chateau at Cadebec-En-Caux in Normandy. I have tried to search that chateau but I have not found anything. Does anybody have any infos about the chateau? Thank you very much Regards, Vitezslav
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Titanic Passenger Summary

Name: Mrs Clementina Georgina Lucy Drummond Dyer Edwardes (née Villiers)
Born: circa.1859 in Bath, England
Nationality: English
Marital Status: Married to Thomas Dyer Edwardes
Embarked: Southampton on Wednesday 10th April 1912
Ticket No. 87, £3
Disembarked: Cherbourg
Died: Thursday 3rd April 1947 aged 88 years
Buried: Prinknash Abbey, Gloucestershire, England

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